Game Monetization

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Let’s compare it to all gaijin games:
War thunder:
Premium vehicles, premium time
Crossout:
Premium packs, premium time
CRSED:
Premium units
Enlisted:
Premium squads, possible premium time (leaked)

Issue is that unlike with the other games, the premium squad in Enlisted offers an objectively better gun than it’s non-premium counterpart (MP-41, PPK is arguable), double perk capacity, and overall offers an absolute end-game experience, despite Gaijin claiming it does not sell end-game content (such as not offering top-tier vehicles in war thunder (altho they kiinda do that but that’s also wrong), or offering legendaries/relics in crossout).

Of course, on top of that, in the other games there is a matchmaker that makes sure that despite having the vehicle “spaded” in War Thunder, and having a pre-built vehicle in Crossout, it does not clap players that did not pay, as the difference between them is much smaller.

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Yep. That alone is concerning, but we all know it will happen at certain point which wouldn´t kill a game entirely if it is not going to happen too soon (War Thunder is still a great game in many aspects and that is why it is still populated in already established gamemodes). And by the fate of War Thunder naval forces we also know that gaijin tends to be too soon too greedy and with the way how monetization is being pushed in recent years, Enlisted might follow same fate.

Now I may seem like doing so, but I do not want to trashtalk gaijin, just taking more critical approach. So if devs/moderators actually see this post, I´m only trying to present empirical evidence (what we can see in practice) and convert it to possible fate of Enlisted.

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Use the way back machine, apparently Enlisted is on there.

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He actually specifically mentions only good stuff there, no gameplay advantages from premium stuff was specifically mentioned and paying to speed up progress which is acceptable, depending on where you stand on that. So I don’t see yours or TCat’s issues with it.

Oh and in case you are about to mention the current premium squads in your long post, those don’t count towards his statement since those are rewards and we are not even at OBT to which his statements may apply.

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Im sorry to disappoint but I will do that, and you will see why and how it fits.

No publisher ever says in advance that monetization is going to be abusive and predatory P2W kind. Yet in reality we have those upon release. (Looking at you AAA game publishers)
Most important is this part:
While we cannot disclose all the details yet, the microtransactions approach will be more or less similar to War Thunder.
Now look at War Thunder monetization and try to get feeling that its fine. If you actually can say that then I can reply with: Pg-02, Ka-50, Obj120, F89 and many more.
This is actually the clue you should be looking at instead of letting typical diplomatic response for dummies who never played WT to obscure your vision.

Players will be able to either play to get to the higher tier equipment and soldiers in each tech tree or pay to speed up the process.
That would fit description of premium squads (I´m fine with them having exp gain increased, and I personaly find that a good way to go) IF:
There will also be some premium cosmetic items that won’t give gameplay advantages
Now compare it to current premium squads that are also “cosmetic” together with speeding up research. That one creates pretty loud alarm in my head.

but will please the most dedicated military history fans.
Now I wanted to mention that one because there were actually plenty of suggestions to monetize various type of cosmetics or graphics (for example more detailed german uniforms, different kind of equipment that is not overpowered etc.). I myself suggested removal of censorship for certain (and lets face it nowadays it would be MOST) countries by monetizing it (which would not only generate quite a bit of green because lets face it, players generaly love historical accuracy for immersion and censored games are getting much criticism from those, but it is also easy to control purchases to ensure no laws are broken) by making uncensored game visible only for that certain player who purchased it.

I´m sorry that this was a bit long and exhausting post, but as War Thunder veteran I wanted to explain the situation and actual meaning of that response as best I can to you. Also, don´t even try to think that premium squads are only CBT thing. They will be purchasable even after OBT and many more types of premium squads will join them eventually. This is too profitable option to monetize to let it go with end of CBT. So it still applies to the issue.

Lastly, I hope that it proves you, that we are actually trying to do more than just complain around. We were actively trying to keep Enlisted away from what WT monetization means as long as possible through various suggestions and even now we aren´t giving up the fight and keep bringing this up.

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I know full well the systems in place in WT and they are bad, but he clarified what he meant there and only said the good stuff.

He actually mentioned those as two separate things, but they could be additional benefits of premium squads as we have seen which is fine.

I mentioned that and nowhere did it state that the premium reward was cosmetic, in fact the opposite lol and I already addressed that, though potentially after you wrote this.

We have no reason to suggest that they will do so for full release so rather than criticise, encourage them to not and praise them for good actions, if they do do anything you don’t like, then let them know.

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This is “I didn´t cheat on you honey (we can combine P2W into cosmetics or pay to progress faster) because we aren´t married yet… you know, wedding (OBT) is next month” logic.
After premium squads being such a success, you still believe gaijin will just let this go away? We have seen this in the past with Herman Sherman pack (just a rough example).
By the words of Thatcher: “No, no, no.” It is not likely to happen.

But whatever, believe what you think is best to believe in Neo, I only offered you raw reality and provided what I think is enough of an evidence.

I honestly have nothing more to say on that matter (right now). And I´m sure I´m not the only one who sees it. I wish only the best to Darkflow, but Enlisted is going to have hard time to succeed, unless their gaijinized approach at least partially changes.

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Dont forget they confirmed we get to keep the squads AS IS in OBT.

Proof, if so required:

And @47094123 I think you now realise the reason why I call this guy delusional and dont talk to him directly anymore.

Love his countradiction between “the premium squad is not monetization because you pay for access and you get the premium squad as a reward for their ‘support’.” yet they cannot be removed because we paid for them?

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Sorry what? What is your logic here? The premium squads were very much a reward for support many bought to get access, not really the squad itself so even from that perspective it is a ridiculous argument (yes Gaijin are terrible with statistics, but this is Darkflow whom have made a point of using them, not Gaijin who are apparently random). And that also means that is is not an indication of plans so again, encourage, don’t complain about what hasn’t happened, if you don’t like the premium squads, that is perfectly fine and you can talk about that, but no true indication has been made on that being the continuation.

Stop comparing them to Gaijin without true evidence of such, wait and see what they actually do, then complain, but feel free to suggest and point towards what you feel to be the right path, that is the entire point of this CBT which I remind you they have actually shown themselves to be completely different from Gaijin on, I wasn’t part of the WT CBT, but I doubt is was anything like this, these devs are very dedicated and respond to feedback, even if mostly indirectly so please keep feedback relevant to what is happening now and suggest future paths rather than criticising what has not happened.

This is just ridiculous and unnecessary, it is not reality since it has not occurred lol, it is simply your viewpoint which you are of course allowed, but as am I allowed to have my own LOL.

And you expect them to remove what what has been paid for, are you actually insane, do you ned to be interred in a mental asylum? That would be literal suicide since it is breaking direct promises and removing what has been paid for. Adjustments may be made to them, but they absolutely CANNOT be removed for crying out loud!

Says the person who in that same post made the most ridiculous statement to have ever graced the Earth (hyperbole).

Errr actually wtf? You make an utterly incredulous statement and then try to justify it by using me saying that we didn’t pay for them which is not at all what I said, maybe you need to learn basic comprehension whilst you’re there as well.

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Okay I have something more to say after all :sweat_smile:
None of us suggested removal of premium squads.
However what was suggested (like thousand times, you don´t even need to try hard to find those suggestions) is the rework of what premium squads. In short: cosmetics with faster research, I´m sure you can find the details of it with ease.

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Literally what I quoted there LOL, it does not specify that the squads won’t ever be adjusted, just that we will be keeping them, so that is what was suggested omfg.

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gotta love this:

Quote & QUOTE:

We’re deliberately using certain episodes within famous WWII campaigns where both sides had a good chance of winning. Ultimately those clashes were won because of the bravery of soldiers on the battlefield. That’s exactly the situation we’d like to recreate in Enlisted. Obviously there were other episodes in those battles where one side had practically no chances of winning, but we simply do not recreate them in the game.

answer:

While we cannot disclose all the details yet, the microtransactions approach will be more or less similar to War Thunder. Players will be able to either play to get to the higher tier equipment and soldiers in each tech tree or pay to speed up the process. There will also be some premium cosmetic items that won’t give gameplay advantages but will please the most dedicated military history fans.

how ironic…

what’s the point of including cosmetic if you are gonna screw up the whole game with already filled up squads.

it’s so wrong… and i don’t see how they are " fine " with it…

Of course we did not arrived yet at the point where there are multiple premium squads, but you don’t need to be a jedi to understand that those squads will make you win with no effort. as there’s no BR thingy like war thunder preventing to face the best gear right on the bath.

also, i don’t think that they understand that
if you want to keep your playerbase attached to the game… and gain more money from the long term, not just make them leave after they bought the best equipment and leave the game as they got bored after 1 week/month.

but i ain’t no manager so…

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thats why I made this post Battle points

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It is not even known if its gonna be F2P or buyable title though.

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There was a large community vote back in the day where the community at the time (mostly Russian) voted for F2P, though.

Are they not sticking to that decision?

Really convoluted system, sadly. It would be clunky at best, counterproductive at worst.

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Wait a minute… how is it not known? It is being advertised as in future to be free to play, CCs were feeding their possible future community by “yeah it’s gonna be F2P” every few minutes of their stream and all that without any reaction from devs or gaijin, that it is a false statement, interviews count with F2P monetization, people who voted about the game voted for F2P and it is unclear if the game will be F2P?
If there is some new information about the monetization model not provided to us as testers (and judging by Cat´s reaction not even to CCP) then all this is nothing but an untransparent mess.

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i really hope for the second option. but we both know how it’s gonna end.

not to mention, with the current system?

i don’t know about that.

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convincing.

but it’s gonna partially fix the problem.

for now, we’ll see.

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This game won’t survive as a paid game until much of the progression and core mechanics of the game gets a revamp. The death will be slower as a F2P in it’s current form and the P2W nature of the game.

And if it’s paid with this crap monetization, well then, may the lord help you.

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