In my recent thread about Fix M1921AC Thompson dispersion, other players reminded me that another SMG, Sichuan Thompson, has a similar issue.
As you can see, its dispersion is only 0.25. This is patently absurd. For comparison, Thompson .30 Cal SMG, with a bullet velocity of 560 (!), has 0.59 dispersion. And the most accurate SMG in 3 BR, ZK-383, has 0.53 dispersion. This is more than twice as good as Sichuan Thompson.
This needs to be corrected.
I’m not opposed to Sichuan Thompson remaining the most accurate SMG in 3 BR, but its dispersion shouldn’t be less than 0.50.
It shouldn’t be the most accurate one - they were produced practically in underground workshops. It’s honestly a ridiculous trend when all sorts of makeshift junk gets unrealistic stats. The Uragan is from the same field.
This was an SMG of excellent quality for its time, and it was not made by partisans in field workshops, unlike the PPD 1944 or the Uragan, but in full-fledged workshops. The fact that this weapon is not entirely factory-made does not mean that it is bad. On the contrary, the small production run and the manual assembly\processing\ polishing, and modification only emphasize that this model should surpass its original in terms of ergonomics and shooting comfort. Therefore, the improved characteristics are fully justified
he’s quite good, I don’t see any problems with him, the Beretta isn’t bad either, but there’s nothing outstanding about this weapon for its time, it’s a typical SMG of its era, and if it were truly good, it would still be used somewhere, Thompson submachine guns in various forms and modifications are still in demand
this was the accuracy standard for 100m for each barrel, each Kp31 left factory with 2 barrels.
If the “sighting-in stamp” in the rear flange of barrel was matched that of the original barrel it was guaranteed that the center of hit-group (ten aimed shots at 100 meters) was within one inch (25 millimeters) of the aim-point, without re-adjustment of sights.
Also you could re-adjust the sights just by the stampings of the new barrel.
These photos are from Tikkakoski the original manufacturer of KP31.
Im sure you have similar documented accuracy for sichuan tommy.
It did actually stay in reserve all the way to 1990 ? In Finland.
But as even Finland began to replace SMG’s like any other developed country with Assault rifles, the smg’s role wasnt exactly all that important anymore.
Just out of curiosity which exact military, special forces or even police force use thompsons these days ?
“No, the Thompson submachine gun (the “Tommy Gun”) is no longer used by any mainstream military or law enforcement agencies. It became officially obsolete after World War II, though it saw limited, specialized use through the Vietnam War and into the 1980s.”
I’ll like to say that the 30 cal is in 30 cal, not something similar to the Temu Thompson, so comparing it seems kinda invalid in my opinion. But I do think ot should be fixed.
Well, the accuracy of the Sumoi in automatic mode doesn’t cause much stupor, it’s good, but even the PPSh-41 in the hands of an experienced shooter could fire 3-5 rounds at 100 meters with a spread of no more than 10 centimeters, and judging by the attached photo, the Sumoi fired similarly.
The Tommy Gun is in demand not because it is used in the army, but because people buy replicas of it, and you can even find ready-made parts on the market, such as Picatinny rails, stocks, and grips. I haven’t seen any similar modifications for the Beretta or Suomi, and there are almost no modifications for the PPSh-41, even though it is not in a great condition and is limitedly used in combat operations
so if he beats the PPSh 41 in this regard, he’s definitely an outstanding SMG
If we compare apples to oranges, yes: all of the Chinese Thompsons are overpowered.
However, they do come on only 5 man squads. That does sort of make up for their strength, compared to other 6 man premium assaulter squads at BR 3, or regular assaulter squads with 7 soldiers. If they got re-balanced, maybe they should get a 6th soldier?
The NKVD squad one with 100 rounds mag. It seems that the Thompsons having the busted dispersion is a theme here. For some reason, Darkflow thinks that the SMGs with very low muzzle velocity should get the same accuracy as the semi-automatic rifles with full power cartridge.
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