Event Simonov automatic rifle (early) for 20 rounds at BR 5

I would like to discuss event weapons for high combat ratings for the Axis and the Soviets. At first glance, the Fedorov rifle with 25 rounds should be better, but it does not even come close to matching the characteristics of the MKB.

You’re going to say something like, hey! yes, there is everything for the Soviets, but I don’t see any good event weapons on the fifth rating. The solution to this problem is a 20-round Simonov automatic rifle.

Why am I even allowed to talk about adding something like this? From the point of view of balance, I would like to get something of the level for the 4th battle rating, but on the fifth. Is it too much to get a gun with stats of a lower level?

Here is manual for an AVS-36 in 1937
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In a first page bellow is written:
Rifles produced before 1936 have magazines for 10 and 20 rounds


Link to a whole AVS manual

Decent researcher bring me a photo of this magazine - third one - for 20 rounds.
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I also show - why this photo exactly from an early AVS - compare with a photos from a Kovrov(arms factory) encyclopedia:
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I marked the same systems of this rifle and here is also magazine for 25 rounds (we talk about 20)
Link to a whole book

Also I found a memories of a soldier who test this guns in 1939 in a real battlefield:
Kattonen Toivo Matveyevich

During the Finnish war, we cut down fir branches all the time, made huts like this, with a bonfire in the middle - that’s the kind of life. It’s 50 degrees below zero, and there’s a meter of snow. Skis and a machine gun, and a machine gun with a 16.5 kg disc. A duffel bag is an addition to this. The second number carried two discs with cartridges, and the third already carries three discs. They carried them in special green boxes with a handle. He got hurt too, and all of us machine gunners got hurt. They also carried all the ammunition with them. There was no shortage of ammunition. Of course, we had to save bullets, shoot in short bursts, and we could release the disc in one burst. There have never been any problems with a machine gun, the machine gun is trouble-free. I wasn’t afraid of water, and I wasn’t afraid of snow. He was my best friend in that war. And there were self-loading rifles for 25 rounds

Good quality modern photo of an AVS early which can help to make a model

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There will be no more than a few of these weapons per year - it will not give any significant advantage, but at the same time AVS for 20 rounds will be desirable for an engineer or the first soldier to receive. It will be a decent good weapon.

What about the characteristics?

I suggest leaving the rate of fire of a regular AVS-36, but slightly worsening the spread (its an early version). The other characteristics are the same, only the magazine is bigger - 20 rounds like the event MKB.

It can be given to a both sides because AVS was quite common in use by finnish and german troops

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Whole research made by @_DELAVR

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I think we need AVS 1934/1935 with 20 rounds mag for Soviet TT.

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I think this one would be great BR3 LMG.

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maybe a third suggestion? Getting something at br 3 would be a win as well.

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I take it you want it as an event weapon

Sure, I like to see it as an event weapon - two per event and some 0.0005 in a veteran box. As well as Fedorov`25 but desirable

I agree with this post - more rifle versions cool stuff, but why compare it to BR4 event MKB? They dont seem too relatable in role and power.

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Its both given to a riflman so even an MKB42(M)-style weapon at br 5 will be much more preferable - like an AVS-31 or something

MKB42M is a riflemen weapon?

I only have two of the Fedorov rifles because after I got my first couple and actually tried them, I realized they were terrible and not worth my time trying to obtain the other two. Personally, I don’t know who would want to keep them the way they are, but apparently some do. I will never use them as they are. The AVT 40 or the 40-20 is much better at the moment.

I think its fun to have guns with ludicrous rate of fire - even if completely unnecessary.

That being said, if the gun had less recoil, it would actually be possible to controll the gun with bursts to not waste too much ammo.

25 rounder mags are great in a BR setting of 20 rounders, but at some point RPM effectively makes less and less of that magazine size actually usable.

The gun needs a recoil buff for sure, but personally I wouldn’t change the rate of fire - just to keep the gun interesting, even if that means the gun would be difficult to master.

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yep, looks like MKB only can be given to an assaulters and sturm enginers. In this case I prefer to see some kind of FG 42 - with higher rof but less accurate

People already prefer FG42 II over first pattern FG42, but more guns would still be fun.

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It definitely needs one or the other. :joy:

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I would like to have same rof as TT AVS but maybe a less aquarcy

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