Guess it kind of depends on what your go to is. It’s no comparison to the ZK and ppsh41. But it’s just as good as what japan/u.s. gets that’s for sure
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its just quite deceiving that u unlock it later than the ZK but it is like worse? again, maybe my monkey brain making assumption that later unlock = good
Then USA can lose its pershings. Their air power was a perfect counterbalance to germans armor.
Oh but when it comes to that i bet asymmetrical balance isn’t of concern.
Germany’s Tier 3 weapons are too weak. The G41 can’t kill with a single shot and has a slow reload. The MP-35/1 has been nerfed, and its rate of fire is even worse than the PPSh-41. Currently, Germany’s semi-automatic rifles and submachine guns are unusable. Expecting Germany to win the game based on skill alone is wishful thinking, as their weapon stats are incredibly weak. Not to mention the Tier 3 Allied Thompson and PPSh-41, which have plate armor bonuses. Players choosing Germany are like cavemen throwing stones at their opponents, ultimately losing miserably despite their best efforts.
Did you know that the current German Tier 3 matchmaking is full of squads and newbies using Tier 2 weapons? I’m playing with these bolt-action newbies, armed with a fully-equipped but partially crippled Tier 3 weapon, and I still lose despite my best efforts. I’ve been thinking about whether it’s a skill gap issue, and that might be a possibility. But the biggest problem is that the German Tier 3 weapons are so weak that they’re even worse than Tier 2 weapons. The weapon research tree, which should be supporting newbies, has instead become the ultimate obstacle that discourages them from playing. Therefore, German Tier 3 weapons must be rebalanced. Otherwise, newbies will just give up on the game once they encounter them. Who wants to be brutally beaten by experienced Allied players while climbing the ranks?
tbh it feels kinda okey on top tier since German also got better guns more or less. USAF is a great hustle to fight against though.
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VG15 SPAM is OP enough.
Are American semi auto OP?
Maybe, but I’ve hardly ever seen anyone use infantry squad with 9 Garand or Johnson rifles.
Unlike some German players who really like VG15 SPAM.
MP35LB needs to increase damage to 7.0. I remember someone suggested this after the last update, but it was somehow forgotten.
MP-35/I stat changes - Suggestions / Weapons - Enlisted — official forum
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What do you mean? After the buff its quite good now. Sure Soviet body armor ruins most SMGs, but its rate of fire gives it faster time to kill than Beretta.
idk, like i said maybe it is psychological, just the fire rate and hitting power feels not great. again, maybe its like placebo and admittedly i havent used them for a while, i just remember they were not that good
It was very bad because of its very poor rate of fire - which however was buffed recently to be on par with the event BR2 MP35.
It now has higher rate of fire than Beretta 40(A). Basically a less accurate but easier to control ZK-383.
In my mind a really good spot for a BR3 SMG.
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HVAR spam was enough US didn’t need pershings.
Why not quit with this one sided BS.
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The example you provided does not even belong to the same type of squad.
Aircraft, tanks, and infantry can never be confused, but infantry weapons are completely different, especially when discussing a weapon that can be equipped for all types of infantry.
You can equip all assaulters with VG15 if u willing to. In this case, of course other smg need to compete with VG15.
The whole thread is complaining that G41 and MP35/l are terrible, so the conclusion is to put them aside and BUFF Beretta M38 that no one complains about. What kind of logic is this?
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The claim that if G41 been buffed, BR3 will start semi-auto spam is dishonest. My experience is that Soviet and Allied players in BR3 are also more inclined to use SMG rather than infantry squads. Not to mention that some German players have already started VG15 SPAM in “high quality matches”.
Besides, the claim that the German BR3 relied on SMG as an advantage is also questionable, as the TT SMG of the German BR3 has never been significantly superior to the SMG of other factions.
Many people on forum don’t even realize how powerful VG15 is. You can make assaulter equip it, with 30 rounds of intermediate cartridges, fast reloading, high firing rate, easy control, and ample ammunition. And its accuracy has been BUFF to 19 in this update, even better than many semi-auto rifles, and it performs well against Soviet body armor.
VG15 only performs slightly worse at close range, but most combat do not occur within 20 meters, and maintaining a longer distance to shoot enemy is always easier than trying to get close to enemy and then firing. This is not a problem worth considering too much.
And I have to remind you one thing, compared to the Soviet and Allied SMG of the BR3, TT SMG of Germany never had advantage in close combat. After two buffs in VG15, the reason for using BR3 TT smg has become very tenuous. (when in “high quality matches”).
I don’t deny that MP35/I is terrible (in my opinion, this is what this thread has been complaining about), but I still don’t understand how all of this is connected to BUFF Beretta M38.
Also, there are Beretta M38 in BR1 too, which differ only in magazine size. There’s no reason to BUFF Beretta M38(40) alone.
And your example is? You mention VG in reference to an SMG (you can’t pull the vet card on me here either i know the vg used to be classed as an assaulter weapon and can still be used by one iirc)
Aircraft and tank squads apply different rules, and aircraft carrying HVAR and Pershing tanks are completely different things.
But squads using VG15 share the same rules(why do I need to explain this?)
Just like a forum discussing FG42-2 spam but no one discussing stg44 spam, because obviously FG42-2 spam completely overwhelms other infantry tactics. The example of VG15 is even more extreme, as assaulters can also carry it.
What you even mean about one sided BS?
Lol.
Yes. A semi auto rifle is totally relevant to buffing an smg. Entertain me with this.
You can say it’s not the same… but it is… they are two different types of infantry weapons just like they are two different types of vehicles.
US HVAR spam was OP. So basically whatever you want for them nah… they have the best aircraft… you don’t need improvements to the game.
Thats basically what you are doing.
“VG 15 which is a semi auto is soooo op… you don’t need X”
I think the production team should give you a red button that lets you win a round with just one press.
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Most BR3 allied forces player prefer to use smg instead of semi-auto rifle only because smg is easy to get started for them. Infantry squad has significant advantage on squad size and weapon. Even your ‘only TTK logic’ also proved those allied forces players are noobs. If they are not noobs why not choose 0ms TTK weapon?
Besides, I don’t know how you get the conlusion that German player spam VG in high quality game. In all official matches or company competition, I didn’t see anyone select VG as infantry battle core. Could you explain why in those matches why people all pick SVT38 infantry squad instead of VG infantry squad or VG assault squad? Because VG is too OP they all don’t want to win too ez? Even BR III is very rare to be picked for match since they widely agree BR III is unbalanced.
I’m not drawing any conclusions, just pointing out what I saw.
I never advocated for that. I was refuting the point that German semi-auto rifles are terrible, which was the basis for this thread’s suggest to buff SMG.
In fact, I already mentioned buffing German SMG—I do think they need some buff, just not Beretta.
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