Its one more BRIV Thompson for 30 rounds - an M1 with a higher rof and good recoil. So its still ability to choose
Why do they need this? MKB has poor dps, but usable long range power for an automatic weapon. This would only be “thematically” unique, but from a gameplay perspective it wouldn’t matter since you can already kill targets at +100m distance with most low BR SMGs with ease.
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Exactly, a clip reload automatic gun would just be a gimmick anyways, a small capacity rifle combined with bad reload speed wouldn’t break the game at all.
we already discussed this with Euthymia…
We seen it with ARs, Jets, AT launchers, AT guns that factions want to be 1:1 balanced no matter how stupid, pointless or uninteresting prototypes/captured equipment needs to be added.
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dunno, red vs blue balance is something no one can moan about.
If only they actually did proceed with it rather than leaving that to half-assed state as well.
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I don’t know any aint interesting photos - its a lot good content can be given even now.
But lowering Thompson m21/28 will give a new options to many players I guess as well as lower some MKB - who needs 3 same guns at br V
But this is only on the surface.
Kiraly is better than MKB anyways, do Soviets have something like a Kiraly?
1:1 balance isnt even gonna change when MKB gets moved to BR4. The only thing thats gonna happen is that instead of Kiraly, a couple of people will want to larp with MKBs instead.
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The PPD with almost double the mag capacity.
The Mkb and Kiraly are suited for different roles, even for classes that can use both. The Mkb offers longer ranged fighting ability compared to the Kiraly and a more controllable rate of fire at those ranges.
Kiraly sure has high recoil, but when you can control it in my experience it beats MKB in every range up to 150meters.
At over 150meters distance you can single shot with MKB better, but at those ranges there isnt much reason to engage the enemy anyways.
I know this is a personal opinion, there are quite some people here that liked MKB back in the days, but I up to this day see MKB as a bad weapon. 500 RPM are too slow, 90% of low BR SMGs beat MKB in time to kill in most combat scenarios. With the way rallies work, you rarely have combat ranges that extend beyond 100meters distance.
Bold statement, but in my opinion MKB is even a BR3 gun.
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I believe m1 thompson should be dropped to br 3. M1928a1 would be balance between control and firerate while m1 would be lot more powerful in cqc thanks to higher rpm but less useful on range. Unlike m21/28 it wouldn’t make other thompsons obsolete
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I kept quiet on it because many only look at fire rate (and never used M1) but M1 is much much worse than M1928A1 and I never understood why M1928A1 was dropped to BR3 instead of M1.
The fact that no one mentioned M1 so far proves that people voting yes want to powercreep BR3 and dont actually care about balance or logic behind BRs.
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M1928A1 has always been great, but is it so much better than ZK-383 for example? I think there are BR3 guns that are comparable to it - but, the real question to ask is whether we need this gun to begin with considering how many Thompsons there are.
The main issue for me are Thompson sights anyways. Stats are secondary.
thats really not an actual downside.
Bad sights are, guns like OVP1918 (objectively terrible sight) but things I just personally this like are not a downside for the playerbase.
I personally dislike the M1 garand sights, I think its trash. Does that make it bad? No, I just need to use another rifle instead.
the damage difference is massive and M1928A1 reloads almost twice as fast while the two things going for ZK is muzzle velocity and dispersion.
Sure ZK is easier to use over range but M1928A1 will beat it every time in normal combat ranges.
Just do your math, you need 4 hits to kill someone with 6.8 damage, you only need 3 with 8.2 damage.
They have the same magazine capacity, but the reload is massively different so M1928A1 is much better at wiping squads.
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Fair point, but I guess we both value “bullets to full kill” vs “bullets to down” differently.
Downing is just myth, above 600 rpm.
Due to muzzle velocity, by the time you see the enemy getting downed, your 3rd bullet is already on the way and above 600 rpm, your 4th bullet is on it’s way too.
The only time downing actually matters is when you have less bullets in your magazine than what you need to kill the enemy but enough to down him. Pretty rare scenario in a squad based game but it did happen to me at least once.
I simply disagree. If I have a 650 rpm gun and my enemy has a 1000 rpm gun, chances are high enough that I get downed - and ultimately die even when I shoot first.
RPM helps a lot. I think M1 with higher rof and maybe new AC (M1921) for 1040 rof will be well suited at br 4-5. But M21/28 for 2026 is a directly III BR gun
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Lowering the MKb to BR4 is ideal
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Honestly, I think all fo this is somewhat arbitrary. But, the falling down of power creep has already gone too far anyways.
From a balance perspective, Japan and Germany have their own respective smgs which can in equal capacity deal with the tommy 21/28. The zk 383 and the type 2a. The berettas are still enough of a match for it too.
The current jump from US br 3 to br 4 smg is rather small
. There are bigger power scale jumps like the beretta with 40 rounds to kiraly, and type 2a to type 2 smg, and the tommy 21/28 loses to both of them. so I won’t rule moving it to br 3 as unfair.
Is it necessary? From a balance perspective, since tommy guns are only good at close range the current versions will hold their own fine anyways. It’s the same thing with the power creep: there was no reason the type hei auto should be added with 13.9 damage(and the same for all those battle rifles coming after with 12.7). Originally, the Fedorov avtomat dealt 12.6 max upgraded , and that should have been the benchmark to balance everything around it. But it’s all gone up now.
But I think DF will eventually do it. And, they will also move the 50 round tommy to br 4.
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I don;t think it can be buffed anymore: the tommy guns bullet velocity limits its effective range. no matter how accurate you make it, it will still lose to a beretta at longer ranges.
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