BR IV Rifle Fix for US and Japan 🪖

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Well Japan and US don’t have BR IV rifles at the moment and I think this is the best options for them:

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1.SLEM-2 BR IV:


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During the closing stages of World War II, when an Allied victory was certain, the British Army started looking for a replacement for the Sten gun. The Ordnance Board commissioned the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield to create such a weapon. The Design Department at Enfield began work on a project that they dubbed the Military Carbine, Experimental Model (MCEM) around April 1945. Six MCEM prototypes were made at Enfield and two in Australia.

At the time, Enfield employed many foreign engineers who had fled their native countries during Nazi occupation. Consequently the Design Department was segregated by nationality. French and Belgian designers such as Georges Laloux and Dieudonné Saive were assigned to work on rifles. They designed the SLEM-1, which would later evolve into the FN-49, and early FAL prototypes in .280 caliber. The British rifle designers were headed by Stanley Thorpe and produced the EM-1 rifle, meanwhile a team of Polish designers who were headed by Stefan Janson produced the EM-2.

Centrefire self-loading rifle - Experimental EX2 or SLEM-2 - about 1945

Configuration close to FN Model D Saive design to drawing D5(E)1789/G/40. Full length stock with finger grooves. Upper handguard of neoprene ebonite over rear of the barrel only. Bayonet lug for No. 8 bayonet (same lug as No. 5 but smaller ring). Adjustable rotating gas regulator sleeve behind front sight block with two position (on and off) gas plug at front. External fixed 10 round box magazine. Hold-open catch is a hatched button on the bottom of the receiver behind the magazine. Unusual rear sight design using the usual slider to deflect the tangent portion upward. Two position rear aperture. Front sight block with large protectors dished out for weight. Cocking indicator at bottom rear of trigger guard.

7.92 x 57 mm Rimless Mauser (aka 8 x 57 mm Rimless Mauser)


2. The SAL SLR: The Canadian .30 Cal. Self-Loader:

No further work was done on SLR development in Canada until late in the War. DND’s views were largely guided by the initial British General Staff belief that semi-automatic rifles were of little utility, given the great increase in the number of machine guns that were being issued. Nonetheless, in April 1944 SAL initiated its own development- as a private venture – in response to a 1943 British specification for a gas-operated SLR with a rotating bolt and using a rimless 7.92 mm round. Design work began in November 1943, with the first pilot being ready for trials in June 1944. It used a dropping bolt locking mechanism similar to the Bren. To work properly this required very heavy parts and the design was declared obsolescent in January 1945. Its redesign was begun in March 1945 and test shot in May.

Japan:

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Well for Japan really there is not many options there is few very paper tin prototypes but I think the best options are in game:

1. Type Ko Rifle Chaimbared in 7.7×58mm Arisaka

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Ogura’s trial-produced A-type semi-automatic rifle was first developed by the Kokura Arsenal in Tokyo around 1935. From Ogura’s trial-produced A-type semi-automatic rifle, we can see the shadow of many American Pedersen semi-automatic rifles.

Ogura’s trial-produced semi-automatic rifle began testing in 1936 and chambered it in 7.7×58mm Arisaka. As a result, due to the outbreak of the Lugou Bridge(Marco Polo Bridge) Incident, the Japanese army really continued to choose the existing more productive Type 38 single-shot rifle in order to equip the mobilized large forces, just as Linjiro in the south thought. Takeo Mizuno’s Pederson-style “phantom automatic rifle” was aborted and his project was canceled.

After that, Takeo Mizuno did not give up his dream of an automatic rifle. In April 1941, Takeo Mizuno, who belonged to the Kokura Arsenal Research Institute, completed a semi-automatic rifle. The caliber was changed from the original .276 inches to the same 7.7mm as the Type 99 rifle.

The magazine part was replaced with a tubular magazine. This magazine is often used on sport rifles, invented by von Mannlicia of Steyr in Austria, and is characterized by a larger magazine capacity. After adapting the design, the Japanese army’s 5-shot bridge clip can be used.

Although Ogura’s trial-manufactured semi-automatic rifle project was terminated as early as 1937, and it was not restarted, the Japanese army, which had been dead and lacking weapons in 1945, put the 30 formerly sealed Kokura trial-manufactured semi-automatic rifles into it. On the Pacific battlefield, and in the Battle of Mindanao in 1945, the U.S. military seized a Kokura trial-produced semi-automatic rifle.

Ogura trial-produced a semi-automatic rifle with a length of 673mm and a barrel length of 573mm.

(The Battle of Mindanao, from March 10, 1945 to August 15, 1945, was code-named the Victor 5 Project. This seems to be the only time the U.S. military saw Ogura trial-produce a semi-automatic rifle on the Pacific battlefield. In addition to the U.S. military, The Chinese battlefield and the Southeast Asian battlefield also do not have the presence of Ogura trial-produced semi-automatic rifles, so I guess that all Ogura trial-produced semi-automatic rifles only appeared in the Pacific battlefield)

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And this is Type 99 scope mount so this is a legit sniper version not some replica.
Type 99 sniper rifle

As you can see this version of the Ko is much better for a sniper option.

So the higher caliber will make this weapon better for a sniper rifle option and different then the premium one and Japan will finally have BR III semi auto rifle.
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For BR IV there is really only one option:

Japan already have many German things in its TT and there is not good prototype that can be a BR IV weapon so better just give Japan ZH-29 there is few very paper tin weapons but there is very little info about them and they are also very questionable BR IV weapons the ZH-29 really is the best option I dont like copy pasting but for BR IV Japan rifle its the best thing we can do:

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Realistically, BR IV should have 20 round semi autos or 10 round select fires (I honestly believe both should be there, sort’ve like BR II having both semi autos and bolts). The ZH 29 had a 20 round variant, but I don’t know what the 20 round equivalents would be for Soviets, Allies or Japanese.

Of course, we can have 10 round AVTs, FG 42s and 15 round M2 Carbines. Japan can have a 10 round Type Hei auto for BR IV. I’m not sure if the Type Hei ever had a 20 round mag, because the Type Hei semi auto with a 20 round mag would work too.

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Please tell me this isn’t in TT :pray::pray:

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Never had but there is another option

And the BR4 SF Rifle for Japan could be the Type hei auto with 20 rounds
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But 20 rounds is too much for BR IV, considering that the AVT has 20 rounds in BR V.

I’m sure the semi auto 10 round mags are interchangeable, hence why I suggested the 10 round Type Hei Auto alongside the 15 round M2 Carbine and 10 Round FG and AVT.

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Another somewhat sensible option for a BR4 rifle for Japan I’d say would be the Type Hei Late Long w/wo bipod
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Also I’m uncertain of whether or not the magazine to the type Hei Auto is interchangeable with the other Type Hei Late models or visa versa. But if they were we could give a Type Hei Late the 15 round magazine from the Auto.

Or alternatively we could maybe just have a Type Hei Auto (15)/(10)←if the mags are interchangeable at all. In BR4 maybe not as TT but an event item or something.

Another option would maybe be the Nambu Prototype 1933. Might be a bit tricky to add since all we have is sadly a drawing of the prototype, but it’s certainly not impossible as a consideration.

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Does this gun have any documentation? I’ve never heard of a Type Hei Auto with 10 rounds.

The Type Hei Auto had a 15 round mag? Considering it has lower damage than it’s contemporaries, I can live wtih the Type Hei Auto having 15 rounds in BR IV (it just means the M2 Carbine would be seriously underwhelming as 15 round select fire in BR IV).

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I might be misremembering how many rounds it was, whether it was 15 or 20 in the shorter magazine that was tested.

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Its 20, never existed a Type Hei auto with 10 or 15 rounds

Type Hei auto 20 rounds
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Type Hei auto 30 rounds
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Ah yes you’re quite right. I went over some interesting information about the rifle just now additionally confirming such. Additionally I’ve found a blog which includes some photos and information about the Type Hei Auto that I don’t believe has been shared here on the EN forum.

If it’s correct the Type Hei Auto we currently have is actually the Model II, so it’s actual name should be Type Hei Auto II; the Model I was the 20 round magazine version of the rifle.

Here’s a link to the blog that features additional photos of the Type Hei Auto field stripped and additionally the weight of the individual components of the rifle.

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theoretically they could also use captured ZH-29 rifles from china

before you say it’s a stupid idea, the KE7 in the tech tree is captured chinese gear too

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We know that Siam did use ZH-29 rifles, if Axis can have Hungarian weapons in the tech tree with Hungary not even in the game, then I don’t see why Japan shouldn’t get a ZH29 and a Type hei late long for BR4 so balance and diversity crowd will be happy too.

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What? Please provide the source.

I did a little research and came to the conclusion that the Type Ko had the ability to mount a Type 5 scope.

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Not exactly, “Type Hei” was never used in the documentation, the weapon was simply called an ultra-light machine gun.

I also translated the document from Japanese into Russian. You can easily translate it into English.

I have also provided a number of high quality photographs.

You can also read the last chapter of my article about the Watanabe rifle.

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Ah I see, thank you once again DELAVR in your diligent and dedicated work.

Do you have any idea if the 5 and 10 round magazines were interchangeable at all with the Ultra-light machine gun and visa versa with the 20 and 30 rounds mags fitting into the Type Hei rifles at all?

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I don’t think they have interchangeable weapons. I don’t have any documentary sources.

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Both versions could use 20- and 30-round magazines. However, only 20-round magazines were used during testing; they were likely simply more convenient. For example, Mauser used a 10-round magazine during testing of the StG 45, as the 30-round magazine interfered with mounting the weapon on a tripod. Considering that Watanabe’s ultralight machine gun couldn’t fire a 20-round magazine without a hitch, there’s no point in using a 30-round magazine.

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Alas, someone will have to do some necromancy and ask the original designers if it was possible.
Nonetheless thank you very much for the research you’ve done. It’s truly invaluable.

Oh I see that makes a lot of sense in the context of testing. It’s a shame it ended up being so problematic, it would have been interesting to see what else could be done with the design.

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No problem I made the post before I go to bed :smiley:

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I saw the article last night I was not interested until I saw the pictures its so clear it can use a scope.
Even on Forgotten weapons all of the Ko rifles have scope mounts but in the videos its mentioned they don’t fit the original Arisaka scope so im not sure the scope they used.

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Japanese Pedersen Rifle

He even mentions some had detachable boxes variant. Funny enough they actually saw combat.

This one is the other option but im not sure will it be good BR IV rifle but is an option same like the Nambu 1933 prototype but there is very little info about it but if I had more probably would go with it.

Its not yet sadly this is the rifle UK would have ended if they had money :

The first British assault rifle? The FN Model 1949 AFN with firearms expert Jonathan Ferguson.

Around 50+ models where made very similar to Type Hei rifle. There is earlier SLEM-1 version and one more SLEM in April 1945 is the one from the picture serial number 51.

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