The American Browning M1918 has 20 rounds, 12 hit power, 600 rounds per minute, and slightly worse recoil and shot deviation in BR 3.
The Axis ZB-26 has 20 rounds, 12 hit power, 600 rounds per minute, and slightly better recoil and shot deviation in BR 2.
Is the magazine blocking a tenth of the screen worth a whole BR?
What should be done?
Downtier BAR
Uptier ZB-26
Nerf ZB-26 stats
Buff BAR stats
Do nothing
0voters
The BR 4 M1941 Johnson LMG has the same RoF and damage as the BR 4 MG 42, except it has more than double the vertical recoil and less than half the magazine size.
The BR 3 MG 34 has 800 RoF and 50 rounds, BR 3 BARs have 600 RoF, 20 rounds, and double the recoil per shot.
The devs should make the MG 42, the MG 34 Patronentrommel, and MG 34 like the Browning M1919A4, which forces the soldier to be prone or to mount the weapon in order to fire. They could also seriously buff the BARs and Johnson LMGs.
What should be done?
Buff the BARs
Buff the Johnson LMG
Only firing while prone or mounted German MGs(Comment which ones)
Nerf the MG 34
Nerf the MG 42
Nerf the MG 34 Patronentrommel
Downtier the BARs
Downteir the Johnson LMG(And add replacement)
Uptier the German MGs(Comment which specific ones)
Do nothing
0voters
The Germans have an insane advantage in their BR III and IV machine guns against the US, the devs shoudl fix it. Comment your ideas below.
Significantly buff LMG movement dispersion. MG gunners are already worse than assaulters because of longer reloads, slower movement speed and being more limited.
If BAR would have nice dispersion, it would work like a poor mans select fire rifle, just with MG 2 hit kill damage, unlike BR5 rifles.
People dont like this idea, but I was there when back in the beta MG34 vs drum PPD was fun and balanced.
MGs right now are a support tool, basically you lay down and wipe squads at medium range - they can be effective, but unless movement dispersion penalties get removed they will never be meta. Either you move, or you lose the game.
That being said, it is clearly true that Germany has better MGs than the other factions. Asymmetrical balance is a nice idea, but when only SMG meta matters up to BR5, then its a failed concept.
As well as less than half magazine size, slower fire rate, and more recoil. I mean we can’t go back and forth about every small detail, it’s ok if you disagree with my idea.
The hidden stats are the most important when it comes to machine gun.
BAR might seem like its on par with MG13, but BAR and Johnson LMG both have significantly quicker dispersion on movement penalty reduction.
This means that after a sprint, your MG42 will have a huge firing cone ( ridiculously big, like missing someone at point blank range ridiculous) while with a BAR, you can start firing after a sprint.
BAR is not worse at all, just favours a different more aggressive style of play.
What US really needs is a new machine (preferably Lewis gun) in the tech tree at BR3 that is comparable to DP27 or MG34.
Nope because BAR actually slaps every one of those “superior” german LMGs on BR 3 in the right hands. BAR almost can be used like one of those SF rifles from BR 5 in BR 3 due to the very little penalty on run/sprint speed and ADS speed as well as shots dispersion while on the move compared to other LMG. Also with very manageable recoil since it has much less horizontal recoil compared to other LMG on BR 3, which means that you could pick up both the reload speed perk and vertical recoil reduction perk at the same time without your aim being all over the place horizontally when you full-auto it.
Out of all things why do you think ZB 26 should be nerfed? Nobody uses this thing… in fact whenever i try to praise it people just say that the MG13 is superior… and such is true.
You want to nerf it… which have you given an example? Dig up some historical documents for the reasoning for the nerf as for every other change related to weapons that’s what’s required.
Yes. It also has rather bad accuracy from what i remember… sprint penalty which bar doesn’t suffer as much from.
ABSOLUTELY not. This mechanic is widely hated and its use is BARELY justifiable as the weapons its on are aircraft machine guns and or portable mounted MGS
So in that case the M1919A6 Should also require mounted fire… lets just make all the MGs. useless… not like anyone uses them anyway… RiFlEmAn ArE bEtTeR aNyWaY
Along with type 100 mg and RD44 + Maxim… doesn’t matter that those are 5 and the ones you mentioned are 4… you want to nerf them to no use them for the reasoning that america has to BRIV MG?
American aircraft also have an insane advantage over german ones… so should we nerf them to put them on or with german? No! Add more german ones!
Same idea goes to here.
Just absolutely disgusted at you trying to push this abhorrent mechanic… really they should have just not added it at all if they were going to require it to prone or mount to fire… and there is a possibility of letting you do what you can in BF5 where you have pseudo aimed hip fire.
This game is not meant for that mechanic… the bots can’t even use it properly and after BR3 games are very fast paced… 4 gets matched to 5 which is all hell… should never be required to stop to get a position.
Dude, do you even play the game? The current meta is all about light machine guns. The BAR fits that perfectly, the ZB doesn’t. Plus, the ZB is awful to use, while the BARs are godlike. The top-tier BAR has 20 recoil control, pretty low recoil stats, excellent sprint speed and spread, whereas the ZB has nothing but recoil going for it — 50 sprint speed vs 80, and a flawed magazine that blocks half your screen. And if we’re talking about light machine guns, the US already has the best ones right now - Colt Monitor, War, etc. At BR 2, they’ve got the excellent Lewis gun too, let’s not forget. The Soviets, by the way, also have the excellent TKB at BR 3, and at BR 4 as well. Very powerful guns, and they’re way more relevant than the MG 34 or MG 42. The MG 34 is completely unplayable — wildly inaccurate, absolutely horrendous, only tolerable when mounted. And light machine guns are primarily used as automatic rifles: rush in fast, storm with high range and density of fire. So the suggestion is fundamentally absurd.
US light machine guns are currently too powerful, the Thompson submachine gun is almost invincible, and German light machine guns are useless. You actually say German light machine guns are strong? Are you just looking for an excuse to break the game balance again?