There should never be a tank in Enlisted that’s better than the King Tiger. Maybe the Jagdtiger but even that’s debatable.
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I hope to see it soon. But now we need German attack aircraft more than ever.
There are definetly layers/tiers to how much any piece of equipment deserves to be in the game.
Used and produced gear is obviously at the top, with less common gear going lower and lower until we hit prototypes.
But, prototypes are definetly not equal to each other, either. Allow me some examples:
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T-44 - Entered mass-production before the war ended, was just never fielded in combat. Lets give this a score of 10/10, the least prototype ‘prototype’.
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Cönders MG - Single physical prototype made, unclear if it ever workeded. Score: 1/10,
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PPSh-41 (S) - Only a single undated black and white photo exists, source remains unknown too, no proof that it existed during WW2. 0/10
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Patchett Machine Carbine Mk I - Went through army field trials, at least one example is known to have seen combat during WW2, theories exist that examples might have been present at the Battle of Arnhem, formally accepted as the winner of the SMG trial in late-1944/early-1945 (just never entered production due to surpluss stocks of Sten guns during the war, nor even after the war as they expected the adoption of a Assault Rifle in the near-future). Winning a weapons trial means technicly no longer being a prototype. Score: 9/10
Unless your argument is balance, then I don’t think the E-75 should be considered any time soon.
Panther II, though… That has one score higher… Not much, but something.
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Devs explicitly stated that this was supposed to be an exeption and not the new standard.
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The argument is this:
Just because Germany is a strong faction doesn’t mean it should put up with more Soviet prototypes. Simply to please their community of players
That’s simply not good enough of a reason to deny the Soviets legitimate gear produced during the war…
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He didn’t see combat, and that’s a valid and solid argument for rejecting this addition. The IS-2 is there; if it has a slow reload, that’s their problem. But to introduce prototypes and throw them in the face of the…The German faction is not fair,If we include Panzerfaust 250, Maus, E-75, etc., then it will be fair, right?The Soviets simply must bear the consequences of the prototypes they are demanding, and there should be no collateral damage.Just to seek profit They already have a 46-inch fighter and a 48-inch RPD, which are badly off. Now to ask for something that was made but not used, yet was built during the conflict It’s not valid because Germany needs that too.In order to be on equal footing with Prototypes
Regardless of the argument used, its inclusion should not be an option, neither as a TT, Event, nor Premium; its mere existence in the game should be unacceptable.
Depends on which Panther II one is referring to, in the worse case scenario it scores even lower than the E-75.
It’s not justification to give Germany some random napkinwaffe to buff the areas that they already are supreme in either.
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Yes.
Su-9 (1946) is completely post war, designed on the basis of captured German Jumo 004 jet engine.
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Oh no, it would be a real shame if they removed the worst jet in the game, that would be tragic. (Remove it who cares)
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I endorse this message.
Just please stop spreading misinformation presenting it as facts.
Both of these statements are false.
Shhhh, spreading misinformation is funny.
But I would like to see the T-44 added, it’s the least prototype prototype vehicle so it wouldn’t really feel out of place. The T-44-100 on the other hand has no place in the game right now and people need to understand that.
As for a high tier Soviet fighter, a Yak-9UT would be fun, especially with 45mm APHE.
Just like the Soviets with submachine guns and the Allies with aircraft like the Meteor and P-80. But if it’s with Germany, then there’s a problem, right?
None are valid, they did not see combat, there are no reports of their use in combat, they suffered no casualties nor inflicted casualties.They didn’t win/They lost battles, etc.Its inclusion must be prohibited or it should not arrive as a TT, Event or Premium; its existence should not be in the game
It’s been five years since the game’s development began, and you’re still going on about whether things saw action in WWII, rare prototypes, mass production, or post-war deployment?
Take a broad look at the entire nation.
Germany will inevitably have the Maus in the future,won’t it?
All of Japan’s equipment at BR 5—rifles,tanks, aircraft, the whole BR 5 lineup—are basically one-offs. Don’t you get that? One of those vehicles is even openly fictional, added by a Korean data miner just to buff Japan. What WWII-era vehicle had composite armor and more than double the horsepower of any other tank from that period? Not to mention that fully automatic rifle that only ever existed as a test prototype.
And now you’re telling us Soviets should keep ourselves “historically pure,” fighting clean while going up against those Japanese who’ve long stopped caring about historical accuracy? What’s your bias here? You’re fine with the Japanese having these things, but the Soviets can’t?
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You talk about historical rarity and accuracy, yet you apply a double standard to the equipment of Japan and the Soviet Union. It seems to me that you don’t truly care about historical restoration. Instead, you’re using “historical authenticity” as an excuse to weaken the Soviets and prevent them from receiving new equipment.
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Oh, I don’t think you need to care about what he says or listen to him constantly opposing the Soviet Union. If you take a look at Japan’s equipment, compared to what Japan has—stuff that only came to light after digging through archives—what the Soviets have is just a drop in the bucket. Japan’s top-tier tanks are practically fictional. We Soviets at least have physical vehicles, and it’s said they were even tested in the Far East. Doesn’t that put us a step ahead? So in the future, whenever people start debating historical accuracy, just ignore it. Every nation has equipment that never saw battle but still made it into the tech tree.
Um, continuing translation.
Besides, he’s also an Italian tech tree enthusiast. In the future, for Italy to appear, I wonder if he’ll make the same mistake on the forums—perhaps repeating that hypocritical attitude.
When you listen to him criticizing Soviet fighter jets, have you ever considered that the Japanese jet—a copy of a German design—only underwent a few tests in reality? It never carried any payload, never saw actual combat, and was hastily shelved in the end. Its inclusion in the game is simply based on its mere existence. Doesn’t that starkly contradict his earlier criticism of Soviet equipment?
I think you mistake me not arguing with him as me agreeing with him. The Su-9 is gonna stay in the game, I don’t really care for it so it makes no difference to me. I don’t care what he says about “It didn’t see combat, it wasn’t even made, blah blah blah” cause in the end that doesn’t matter as much as whether or not it would be a good inclusion for the game.
The T-44-85 would be a good addition, the T-44-100 would not. The Su-9 is a good addition, so is all the prototype and paper stuff in Japan’s tech tree.
Why though? I’m still very curious—why are you so opposed to the T-44-100? This vehicle was also built before the end of World War II. Even though it never saw actual combat like the T-44-85 did, and even though it has excellent firepower, I think having a tank capable of facing the Tiger II head-on on maps with limited flanking opportunities could be meaningful. Both sides would try to target each other’s turrets to secure a knockout, rather than just going for hull shots. In that sense, their offensive approaches and weaknesses could align quite well. This might be the only tank that could exchange more than two shots with a Tiger II in a frontal engagement and still have a fighting chance.
Quote me saying Japanese having paper weapons is “fine”. Go on.
See the problem: fakes only lead to more and more fakes.
The only reason Japan is getting its FAKE Type 2 AR is because both Soviets and Americans have their FAKE AS and Hyde ARs, and the Devs just can’t figure out another way but mirror everything.