**Abolish Uptiering — Call to Arms**

[YUI_SaltyPlayer]

@khtk395

Win ratio have nothing to do with how many br4 there are.

No. What i’m trying to say is that the high win ratio on USSR and USA is just a byproduct of BR 3 win ratio, not the actual win ratio of BR 4 itself. Because you can clear see that the BR 4 win ratio on every faction basically follows the same pattern as their BR 3 win ratio rather than their BR 5. This means that in my opinion, BR 4 itself isn’t significant enough(Of course it isn’t)to influence BR 3 due to the fact that people rarely plays the BR 4 as itself and the BR 4 can do absolutely nothing against BR 5. I think the BR 4 is truly fu**ed BR.

[khtk395]

@Axismodeus

Fair point on the data
enlistedrollcall only covers a few months, so it doesn’t tell me what you played years ago. ——but I said “your last 242 games,” not “your whole history.” those last 242 games are still you, right now: 99% in BR5, zero in BR4. So when you tell BR4 players to “just choose not to play,” you’re describing a choice you personally make every single day.

@Axismodeus

you’re speaking from a position where that choice was never even on the table for you
You’ve simply never had to live in BR1-4.

What is this then? You literally said I never played BR1-4.

@Axismodeus

You’ve posted a handful of old threads to prove… what, exactly?

@Axismodeus

About your “bot lobby” worries — let me take a wild guess at what you really mean: “If uptiering is gone, who am I supposed to use as a punching bag?” ???

Lol I post it because you said my bot lobby worry is an excuse so I can farm br4 players as br5 player. But how can it be true if I already said something similar before merge?

@Axismodeus

Those old posts don’t actually support your current argument. What they reveal is a consistent pattern running through your entire history
You’ve opposed change in every single one of them. You opposed new campaigns. You opposed the realistic mode. You opposed anything that might split up the matchmaking queue. You were against it before the merge, and now you’re against ±0 too. Other than saying “no,” you’ve contributed basically nothing of value to anything.

Wow, I pick my topic that is related to concern of bot lobby, of course it is no. If there is several topic suggesting keeping ±1 br will you say yes?

Universal 120% Sprint Speed Swords For All Factions

So what you actually want is for every faction to be a carbon copy of each other. I have no words.

Buff the Radio Squad

That arty spam is so annoying.

Panzerjäger Tiger Ausf. B, Sd.Kfz. 186

You wanna start an arms race? Not a chance unless it’s BR VI.

You said no on those topic can I also call you contribute to nothing?

@Axismodeus

Now let’s talk about your behavior. You called me out for “personal attacks” just because I read your public stats.

How is my public stats have anything to do with not enough players problem in the first place?
You are just diverging the topic to a personal stat discussion.

@Axismodeus

You dig up irrelevantpld posts to establish your seniority, then ask “where were you back then?” — as if playing longer somehow makes a flimsy argument hold up. Now you’ve set up this gatekeeping rule where people have to have more forum history than you before they’re “qualified” to answer. Why do you keep dodging my actual proposal to ramble about all this irrelevant stuff?

Because you are acting like bot lobby is not a problem. Back in the day bot lobby is a bad problem, and it was finally solve after the merge. Of course I need to verify if you know how bad the situation is back then.

[Axismodeus]

I’ll leave it here. You’ve spent the last several posts litigating word choice, digging through archives, and relitigating the merge
but you still haven’t answered the one question that why has a one-month ±0 test never been tried?**

If bot lobbies are as catastrophic as you say, the test would prove it. If they’re not, it would prove that too.

Until u can answer that, there’s nothing left to debate. Not wasting any more time on your trolling, sarcasm, and old grudges. This loop is pointless. I’m done here.

[khtk395]

@Axismodeus

but you still haven’t answered the one question that why has a one-month ±0 test never been tried?**

I am not a dev how should I know about it?
It is funny that you just ignore all of the previous discussion and use a point that you didn’t even include this on your original topic.

@Axismodeus

Until u can answer that, there’s nothing left to debate. Not wasting any more time on your trolling, sarcasm, and old grudges. This loop is pointless. I’m done here.

Try better next time I guess, most of the stuff you discuss is about personal behavior instead of the topic itself. And stop faking claim when doing suggestion, this suggestion is base on the claim that Chinese server do well, but it is not.

[robihr]

@Axismodeus

On the player-count point: neither of us actually has the daily or monthly numbers. enlistedrollcall is a third-party estimate, and I’m not going to pretend it’s authoritative. The only party with real data is Gaijin — and they’re not sharing. So let’s stop litigating a number neither of us can prove, because that’s a dead end. I was never using player numbers as some big talking point.

numbers are pretty accurate for regular MM and it is not that hard to get daily numbers. also daily/weekly/monthly unique players are not relevant numbers for MM cause 1 player playing 1 battle in 1 month doesnt do anything for MM. concurrent player number is what is relevant and you can see number for last year and year before last here:

Concurrent player number for august 2025

here is data for last 2 weeks. [image] for comparison this is data for same time period last year [image] overall enlisted gets ~2k less concurrent players in peak hours. will need to do deeper analysis to see exact reasons, but i would guess 2 main ones: playerbase is shrinking and players are probably deserting less.

@Axismodeus

What I’m actually arguing is simpler than all of this: removing uptiering is a net positive for the experience of the majority of players. That’s the claim. It doesn’t need a player-count study to be true — it needs you to answer one question: is a BR IV player being pulled into BR V and used as a punching bag a good experience, or a bad one?

actually not true if playerbase is not enough to support it. i would guess you are relatively new player that hadnt played campaigns, so you didnt experience what is one sided beatdown when one side has more human players than the other.
check allies to axis ratio or axis to allies ratio on certain campaigns in 2023 and you will see which campaigns sucked for underdog side. even normandy which had 1:1 ratio had its moments where it was severely unbalanced cause of TT update or some event reward.

@Axismodeus

If bot lobbies are as catastrophic as you say, the test would prove it. If they’re not, it would prove that too.

we had that test for first 2 years of the game. solution to that was merge and current MM.

[Axismodeus]

I played back before the '22 merge, then heard about the big rework and came back to check it out. Didn’t really get back into it regularly until 2023/24.

[robihr]

merge was in december 2023…

[Axismodeus]

Right, I meant I only became a regular player in early 2024.In 2022 I just played for a short while.