WW2 was not divided into tiers, neither should Enlisted

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perhaps a mid level mode on its own with its own queue would suffice

I am not against having more modes in the game, I too would be ok in matches where low level tanks battle it out and mid level only

I myself would love to sometimes have that choice to play a different mode with rifles only, or as you say with lower/mid end vehicles

but this stuff has to be tools given to the player to control what match he is willing to go into

not forced onto the entire game where one group has to suffer just so another can have their way

why can’t we just have it so you could queue up whatever you accept into your match, and then only those things would be in your match

this BR system won’t do that either, because of the ± MM deal

and now as others have said, players that will change their loadouts just to have a chance at a lower BR are still going to be forced into higher BR which is even worse, because they gimped themselves on purpose just to avoid something, and they still can’t avoid it, or worse the things they love are in the same BR with things they hate

So personally I am ok with extra modes coming into the game that provide limited experience but are optional extras

just not at the expense of the core experience

as add ons, no problem

more customization given to the player to choose what will be in their match, no problem

but this BR doesn’t achieve any of that

it doesn’t let players choose their maps, doesn’t let players choose their modes and doesn’t even really limit BR either, since you will still be pulled into higher BR, so it doesn’t even do that right either

If I wanted to play rifles only, then I would want a rifle only mode

if I wanted a match with no flametroopers then should have a tick box that none will queue up into the match I am going into, same for whatever you hate, such as tigers or Assault rifles or Gas Grenades, planes etc…

Let the player have full control over what they queue up for, that would be the ideal solution

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just kill this game or make it PVE. ffs do you know how many modes would you need to keep everyone happy? and do you know how many players do you need to keep every mode alive? this is simply unsustainable.

and this is essence of BR MM.

this is not a problem. you dont need strict tiers to make game enjoyable and there is not much difference between few tiers. you can usually kill tanks a +3 tank, but you wont be able to kill a +7 tank. SA are not overwhelmingly powerful like AR vs BA rifles, so it is not problem if there is occasional mid level player in queue.

IIRC some dev said they will see about map/mode selection after merge.

and this is impossible. it would be impossible even if game had 10x playerbase that it has now. that is why you get customs

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it’s not impossible, other games have done it, so it’s not impossible, especially considering that kind of thing used to be in games years ago

saying it’s impossible seems to be the modern excuse for “don’t wanna do it”

same with this ridiculous notion that you need more players, you don’t need more players because already the game is mostly bots and when the teams are stacked with players, the players quit the matches to find new matches with more bots and less players

the players themselves are indicating that they don’t want to play against more players

yet we get this rubbish BR that is attempting to force players into packaged up tiers

what happened to BA rifles were throughout the entire war? Now you are ok with them only being at the low BR of war?

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tell me one other game that has done it. i dare you. you will probably show me some game with persistent server.
you dont seem to understand that making hard rules for MM is creating new queues that need to be filled. so there are 128 maps and you could include/exclude weapons in 100 ways. you would basically giving players control to do over 10000 queues. from current 6. yes if you want to play single player game it is possible. not if you want to play full human vs human game

you know that one of the reasons people quit is not cause matches are balanced, but cause their team is full of bots?

i would be ok with premade teams that respects historical accuracy. so that you can have 8-9 players with BA, one MG with assistant gunner that has pistol equipped and squad leader with smg/AR. not with teams that have 4 stg44/fedorov and rest of the team with fg42/avs40. if game is making non historical squads, then at least we can have game balance.

you want to keep “HA” when it is in your interest, but say f*ck HA when it isnt.

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Man, if they dont implement tiers they would have to implement skill based matchmaking, and I dont want that shit, so I will just disregard your giga pdf, dont care, didnt ask, plus I hate you

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I agree with you

I too would be ok with that if it was done well, and then there was still a mode like we have now for increased mixture

but not this BR system which will destroy the game at certain BR

Personally I did not work so hard to unlock some awesome gear to now only be able to use it in limited tiered match making, I just did not play this game for that

Whilst that might be a reason, I see most matches populate fully before the match and I still see a huge number of quitters, always at least 4 + quitters

but if the match populated fully at the start, and those are all players, then they couldn’t have quit because of bots, they likely quit for other reasons

and that is the most common occurrence that I witness in matches

Well h&g is dead now, but that game let you select maps & modes when it was still alive, until they ruined their game

There used to be games like bfbc2 that allowed you to queue for hardcore mode and also choose maps or modes

The really old BF games also allowed map selection from list

Post Scriptum also let you choose what map/server you would join

so many games

All these new games that force the player to play whatever map and mode are really the cause of their own quitter problem, because if people get a map or mode they don’t want, of course they quit out

this BR system only going to create more reasons to quit matches and quit the game

if you wanted HA BR ain’t it either, and it will be worse immersion than ever

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this is easy to implement when you have 1 server and you just need to do map change. it is impossible to do when you have MM that is creating instances every minute and half.
persistent server needs to change map every ~30 minutes, while MM needs to create 10000 such servers every minute and half. you see the difference and why it is impossible to implement such thing in MM?

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Sure if games has playerbase to sustain it.
Quite sure we dont, otherwise we wouldnt have to merge campaigns.

Which no one wants.

Yes, ppl asking for populated & balanced games for 2 years.
Now, once they get them they suddenly start to leave.
You sir are really something.

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truth remains

players when they get queued into full player matches, still leave

that isn’t me doing it

that’s just what’s happening

and it’s not because the team is full of bots

it’s because the players don’t want to play against other players, so they leave player full matches, and then create new matches with more bots because they quit the matches full of players, the new system will only make this problem more severe

which tells me that clearly the majority don’t care about filling the match with players, since they quit those matches sometimes over 10 quits by players in a single match

if this lie that players want players was true, then players wouldn’t quit such matches in such high numbers, they would stay

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Your claims are rather highly contradicting with peoples requests in past few years.

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what some people request appears to be a different thing to what is commonly experienced in the actual game

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Or people dont wanna waste tome carry a noob team, playing on a shitty map or mode.

If they want to plsy against bots, they would either just play side or just 24/7ing Tunisia Allies

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We have to hope that the game will be divided into the arcade balanced and the historical unbalanced in the future.

Yes, a game with a large HA will be very unbalanced, and it will be especially visible in the Berlin campaign, where the Germans discovered that quantity is also quality.

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That is not reflected in the game.

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Would you like to play only infantry against Soviet tanks and artillery?
Everyone is strong in the mouth, but when it comes to playing a party that has equipment straight from the beginning of the war against the war machine, it loses its appetite.

I can already see how all Axis players in Berlin use Volksshturm weapons and don’t complain about the lack of balance on the map.

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It is.

There’s lot of Axis players in Berlin while facing only few allies players

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Still not reflected ingame.

Well. Unlike Soviets, not everyone has the luck to get WW1 weapons with super stats.

Except the Germans still had tanks in Berlin and used them but whatever.
VS gear was produced in extremely limited nunbers and mostly still used German standard gear but whatever.

Big words for someone who wants people to play against T-34s with Short-Barrel Panzer IVs and Js.

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And that’s the problem with tank games. Hits without penetration damaged tanks. The movie is also an example of the movie furia because swordsmen with short barrels shot at the tiger from a long distance, which caused damage to the electrics, wounding the crew, cracking the armor.

So that the pzIV with a short barrel could fight the T34s. Hits with high-explosive shells caused damage to the tank’s electrics and hydraulics, stunned the crew, tore off pieces of armor.

They did, but they were used as bunkers, not as tanks.

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Could Would.
Reality is different though and not even War Thunder has such a system.

Not really. There are photos of wrecked German tanks and IFVs in the middle of streets which dont look liek they were used as fortification.

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But they were stationary points of resistance due to fuel shortages. A lot of tanks and transporters (transpoters because IFVs were created only after the war) were dragged to a given place and stayed there.