I’ve killed Jumbos with both the rockets and the guns
Cope from a b*d player
Don’t forget using the guns for a god tier gunrun
The 30s go off with as much radius as a frag grenade
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Imo
- BF110
- P-47 (Hvar)
- P-47 (M8 rocket)
- P-51 D-5
- ME 410 (Only because Fw190 flight bugs hinders Plane v Plane performance)
Jug
188
110
A-20
Idgaf about the rest because they’re all levels of alright
Could honestly say 110 and 188 share second spot because they’re both great at different things but they slay
190 just uses its absolutely dogshit flight model from War Thunder
There’s no bug lmao
Its meant to fly horribly
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Forgot the 188 existed, yeah thats a hard call between those two
Oh dear lord, I feel bad for the poor pilots of this thing
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Thunderbolt
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- P47 RE
- P47
- JU188
- P38 (with rockets)
Are S tier and are all in Normandy.
Honest to god, I like the P-51D better than either P-38. Sure, M8s are godly against tanks, but the Mustang flies better, andthe bombs are technically a larger payload and on maps like Ruins of Vaux, you can definitely feel it. Also, AI in the Ju 188s keep sniping the engines on my P-38, which gets real annoying.
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Oh yeah, i am such a wehraboo that i am grinding in 3 other eastern front campaigns with soviets since i think their weapons and vehicles are better and more fun
i mean you literally said that the only reason why the d-day was able to push out was because of the massive air advantage IRL
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Both sides are crybabies, but Allies-oriented players are much more of one. Reason is in the post, with more players explaining why as you scroll down.
I mean, sure, we Axis mains have wehraboo and all that shit. But Allies balance was off since launch because for some reason Gaijin- I mean, Dark Flow felt like it’s a smart thing to do to pair up Pz IV against a Sherman Jumbo and expect it to be balanced (In any tank-related games, you’d see that the Jumbo obviously uptiers them, instead of giving them something like a firefly or whatever, they straight up slapped them a jumbo in launch), with Jumbo players racking up god knows how many kills just greyzone camping Axis players- Back then, we have no panzerfausts, panther, tiger, ofenrohr, none of that shit. Just strumpistole and Pz IV H as our ‘best’ anti-tank. Axis players was then subjected to abuse by Allies players who just demands the Axis to ‘git gud’ and ‘skill issue’ because their obviously inferior tank is at severe disadvantage from launch.
Then, the first reinforcement of normandy hits. And the P-47/D-28 was introduced.
While they are screaming about Bf-110s being available from level 4 or how they are ‘better’ than the P-47, both the paper and ingame reality says the otherwise. The P-47 is not a strike aircraft like the 110’, it’s a fighter, it has better mobility in overall, and it’s four pair of 12.7mm Browning (8x) works. The 37mm of the Bf-110 works too, yes. But auto-cannons for planes in this game is objectively trash thanks to the plane damage model. Even if we give the focke wulf 20x 13mm and 20mm cannon, they will still be outperformed by the 12.7mm Browning. In this case, it’s not allies player’s fault- It’s Dark Flow’s.
What makes it outrageous for Axis is that Allies player (Where back then, level is still locked to late 20-ish, no level 30s yet), now having both Ground and Air supremacy, are still screaming that they are suffering against Axis bias. Plus, people like Wastedwoodsmane started showing up and harassing Axis players nonstop, with them even going as far to gaslight and calling Axis players as ‘German supremist’. Mods are the witness to that. It was the Allies who dominated the campaign for almost half a year. It was the Allies players who owns the leaderboard with 5-10k scores with 0 deaths from P-47/Jumbo spam. It was the Allies players who are stomping on Axis players, and the former, horrifyingly, genuinely believes they are the victim.
Don’t even mention the Ju-188. It’s a literal glass cannon. It has 6x 250kg bomb with zero offensive armaments and (at that time) disabled gunners. Even a P-38 can easily shoot it down with no means to defend itself. It’s a good plane, with too many drawbacks to even be compared.
From Launch in April to September, that’s what happened. But everything changed when the fire n- when Battle of Tunisia + Major Update drop on September 2021. Panther was introduced, alongside the Panzerfaust.
Allies might still have the air supremacy, but the time of their ground supremacy is long gone. By the time Allies will have a new better tank in the level 40s, Axis will get an even better tank to counter them as the options starts to narrow up.
If you really want to take a look about this whole BS, just look up my post.
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110g-2 stats:
max possible speed 636km/h
max climb: 22m/s
best turn: 18.80
thunderbolt D:
max possible speed: 721km/h
max climb: 20m/s
best turn: 18.90
note that max speed isn’t something you will see in game so both are about 410kmph in true speed.
.50s work because you throw enough shit at the wall for it to stick while the most raw damage comes from the 30mms and the 37 of the 110g-2. seriously the 110g-2’s guns are so strong that they can and will tear off an entire tail section with 1 burst but their velocity is terrible
ground pounding armament are equal in strength as the rocket loads are similar in strength with thunderbolt being able to spread with it while 110 is for hatred of a particle grain of sand though both can destroy the other’s heavies, yes the 21cm can destroy the jumbo, while the 30mms have high explosive rounds which gets the 110 a more of a presence on the battlefield compared to the 1 and done of the 500 pounder.
so yeah looking at it and using both as my primary attacker squads, i can say they are similar effective.
TL;DR: cope, seethe, dilate 110 is as effective as thunderbolt
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First, the PZ IV H is capable of taking care of a jumbo, just requires some finesse. Jumbo struggles to pen the Pz IV as well. As for the 110 vs P47, The 110 has great ordinance for a quick fast attack with a crap ton of firepower. Those 21mm tear apart tanks and the 30mm HE decimates infantry with ease. Just requires some skill and map knowledge to figure out where to strafe effectively (which it does 10x better than the p47). And with the current rework of plane DM all cannons/ guns tear apart planes with ease. The P47 on the other hand is great with dispersed fire power. The ability to strike numerous targets in one run is great but in order to get the same shock and awe as the 110 you need to dump all your ordinance in the same place. As for strafing, the p47 is woefully terrible at it cause it virtually has no large HE. For air combat you need to ride the ass of a plane for awhile to get a decent crit as opposed to the 110, but the p47 is more agile which makes it easier to stay on target. Both have the same firepower, but the way they deliver said firepower is different. Merely cope and make do. (And before you claim I’m an allied main, I’ve played both sides and have more battles played for the Germutts XD).
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I don’t know how long you have been away from the game, but the issue with the 20mms, 30mm and 37mm no longer exist (the 13mm still suck, but there is literally nothing anyone can do about that because they suck just as much balls IRL). The new issue is planes jump around the sky as the game tries to correct for desync.
As for their ability to dogfight, you overstate the P-47s ability to fight. Sure it is a fighter, but it is a high altitude fighter and at the altitudes most commonly dealt with in Enlisted, it dogfights about as well as the Bf 110, and the P-47 doesn’t even have a turret to defend itself. If this is too difficult, imagine it this way: how well would a BV 155 fair at these altitudes? Whatever answer you get, the same applies to the Thunderbolt.
Another thing, attacker aircraft are less rated on their ability to dogfight and moreso on their ability to preform CAS, as that is their role. In this, the raw performance of the plane takes second stage to the payload and armament that the plane carries and in the case of the Bf 110, it does carry an insanely potent payload which is on par with the Thunderbolt if you are skilled enough to use it. Ergo, it is equal to the Thunderbolt, simple as.
Have you even played the game recently, the AI gunners have been making a meme of how often they pilot snipe people. It also has a payload even larger than the Thunderbolt, so it is by no stretch of the imagination weak.
Both sides have their cry babies, but it is not fair to say one side has more than the other. Go look on the forums and on the discord and you will find that everyone complains about what the other side has. You want to know why? Because the factions in Normandy actually have things that differentiate them and force different playstyles to be effective. The Germans excel at longer range combat and keeping the enemy there, with their SMGs having less damage dropoff, the FG 42 surpassing the M2 Carbine at range and their tanks being better on average. Meanwhile, the Americans have weapons that excel in CQC and better planes to cover them as they close the distance. These different playstyles mean that whoever can force the fight in their favor will win, which is why Normandy battles often turn into stomps. It also explains why people are so whiny about Normandy, as if the enemy has something that can force them to play to the enemy team’s strength such as the Panther, Tiger and P-47, it will get real annoying. Thus, noobs cry. The correct answer to anyone crying from either side is “git gud scrub”, end of story. Both sides are nests of retards who want the other side nerfed because they can’t compete in the other’s area of strength.
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Well, we talk about Anti Infanterie hm?
My List starts
Beautyfighter Tunisia- flying Calliope
Il2 Moscow- bomb + rockets +Air-tank
Ju188-funny Air-bus with many Childrens… Potential for Paratroop Airplane, i often use it like this.
Best Fighters.
Premium BF109G10 Normandy… Awesome Feeling, Shark in the Sky
I153 M-62 Moscow… cant count how many Enemys i simply killed.
P47 D28 USA Normandy… 8 MGs 3400 Bullets +10 Nuke Rockets
but AA should only work with 45 degree+
I just checked both WT, Enlisted Wiki, and Enlisted Ingame. None of these stats matches with each other, and it’s not even your fault. They’re all providing different numbers for some reason, which means using any of them has a 1/3 chance of being actually accurate if we don’t trust the ingame one.
.50s work because they act as ‘regular’ machineguns, none of that HE/Fragment type of shits that works like shit in this game. Remember how you can fire a Puma directly with an M9 Bazooka and somehow the explosion bounces off from frontal hull toward the engine and then it flies off toward the sky for like, 0 damage? Or the same case with Panzerfaust against Stuarts and yadda-yadda? Autocannons also have to deal with that since apparently they’re using HEs instead of APs. Yes, Dark Flow moment.
The only thing that everyone agrees with is that the 110’s 30mm and 37mm autocannons sometimes works. Not always, but they works. Bf 109 or Focke Wulfs? Well, those are meme planes. those 13mm and 20mm does jackshit, even if you magdump with ungodly hit ratio on tails, wing engines, and wings. And yes, velocity is terrible.
They have more or less almost similar strength in rockets, with Thunderbolt punishing you less for missing your targets as you can spam space five times, and also a 250kg (500lb) bomb drop. Bf 110 has the power of those rockets but you can only shoot twice with that accuracy. Oh, yeah. For all rocket planes, this sometimes happens too. Directly hitting a tank with a rocket and then them magically bouncing off 180 degree back and exploding harmlessly in the air in the 3D camera despite everyone witnessing a direct hit. Yeah, thanks, Dark Flow.
They are similarly effective in paper, with P-47D is simply more spammable than Bf 110 could ever be. The match results tends to show that. Those ‘pro top tier’ allies player with 10k scores and 0 deaths? Yeah, almost guaranteed P-47 spammer. And they’re the one screaming to Axis about how the latter is too OP and how “Allies needs captured Tiger 2 for historical accuracy but don’t give Axis Tiger 2”.
Ah, yes. Classic Allies counterargument. “Just aim bro! Skill Issue! Just aim at MG port! Jumbo is suffering against Pz IV too!” with most of Normandy players in early OBT complaining about Jumbo supremacy (Followed with P-47 Air Supremacy).
Panther drops
“Just aim at Panther turret, sides, just flank! Skill issue!”
Gets Called German Supremist"
As for your plane argument, I somewhat agree, but as I stated in my previous reply, the P-47 is simply more versatile, less punishing, and more spammable than the Bf 110. The match results (as in scores, k/d, and generally “Oh I just got P-47d again, it’s that guy again who had been using that plane since the start of the match”) doesn’t lie.
Seriously, yeah. It’s the plane damage model AND the whole “You just directly hit a stuart with a HE derp shell from a gustav” and then that shit miraculously bouncing off. Autocannons works like a bloody RNG game thanks to all these factors. Still, I personally have no faith in the 20mm and 30mm. It’s always the 37mm doing it’s job, and we know it’s a big “Sometimes”.
In Enlisted-stats? Yeah, but what matters in this horrendously patched up of a game is their offensive armaments. Thanks to the aforementioned issues, however, those machineguns works like hell if we compare them to autocannons, which honestly, thanks to the issues, makes them more like autopeashooters. Allies mains used to argue that they are OP because Axis used “Autocannons” when ingame, everyone knows they’re literal peashooters, just autocannons in name. P-47s have better and faster TTK compared to Bf 110 to stuffs like the whole desync, super slow velocity autocannon shells, and yadda-yadda.
I mean, yeah, on papers, they are equal and all that, and I admit, the Bf 110 getting unlocked much faster than the P-47 is a big deal. But ingame really shows that doesn’t happens to be the case. I never met nor watched anyone pull the same shit as P-47 in hundreds of battle as Axis (Urght, stuck at level 37 now. Waiting for next update) using the Bf 110. That’s just not the case in game.
As you said, “If you are skilled enough to use it” for the Bf 110 to be on par against the Thunderbolt, then yeah. Thunderbolt doesn’t really requires you to be ‘as skilled’ as the Bf 110 Pilot you’re implying. Like how Jumbo players doesn’t even needs to be as skilled as Pz IV players. They just sit on the other side of the map with their frontal armor (both hull and turret) protecting them from 99% threats from OBT for months.
Then, Panther appears, and we start seeing crazy shit like how tunnel vision these allies tankers were with their Jumbo. From OBT, all they had to do was face enemy frontally, no need to angle or all that shit, and just goes boom boom safely, out of Deto-pack reach (Or if Axis is not using any planes to counter them). They lack that necessary learning curve, Axis had to just to survive. Flanking, more accurate aiming, hiding, all that stuffs that a Jumbo doesn’t requires a ‘skilled’ player to do.
Slap Axis vets tankers who had to deal with this shit in a chonky tank since OBT, and they’re literally stomping Allies tanker off to oblivion in a worse manner than Jumbo would ever have hoped to achieve. My point is as you exactly said, “Skills”. Allies vehicles doesn’t requires that + super spammable, Axis vehicles? Welp, less so.
I definitely won’t be calling for Axis buff. A total rebalance is necessary for both sides.
It WAS weak. The point I’m trying to make is that many Allies players are using present and future arguments to justify things that had happened in the past. “IT’S FINE FOR US TO STOMP EVERYONE WITH THE JUMBO (Later on with P-47 too) SINCE LAUNCH BECAUSE YOU GUYS GET PANTHER NOW (at level 30)” and somehow this makes Allies players the ‘victim’ of everything and somehow It’s all Axis players fault.
As for your last argument, I agree with every point you make save for the first one.
I mean, come on. It’s not Axis players who have dedicated witch hunts to ‘troll’ and ‘shitpost’ at every Normandy related post. Wastedwoodsmane is a prime example of that, with his colleagues justifying his actions and literally gaslighting everyone “What is trolling? What is bad? Why should we ban him?” and all that crazy ass stuffs. The fact he is being upheld and remembered en masse for it as some sort of twisted achievement for all his harassment and abuse of Axis players (The very man who invented “Axis players = german supremist” minutes before he begged for the mods not to ban him because he ‘loved the german people and axis now’, which is outright pathetic) were Allies players.
Both sides have their noobs, cry babies, and all that stuffs. But the ones who had been actively doing that (and were encouraged to do so by many discord/forum players) were Allies. As of today, I’m note sure, as I’m somewhat certain there is a status quo of ‘balance’ between both sides being little shits to one another, but it’s definitely better after those ‘OGs’ like wasted got permabanned because they were literally on a full blown harassment campaign where others who gaslight and all are justifying all their actions as ‘mere shitpost’.
Huh, really? I always thought Dark Flow were slapping those Autocannons with just HE with all those explosion effects. I see.
I mean, at this point, just out of spite, I’d go on a campaign myself as radical pro-axis against anyone who portrays allies in good light no matter how slight it was, and use ‘shitpost’ as an excuse if I ever get called out or warned and all that stuffs. But we all know how that’s going to end. Unlike being “Pro-Allies” like woods, being “Pro-Axis” is definitely going to be an extremely taboo thing that will probably result in permaban in just my second offense because “Pro-Axis = Bad, u support german supremist, aryan supremist, support genocide and holocaust, u nayzee” compared to the former.
Yeah, show how bad this forum is.