Why are M1919A6's nerfed?

[BigMoose69]

The M1919A6, has the same muzzle velocity and calibre as the M1903 below…

Using the calculation of F=ma, we can see that, 26.9g at 830 m/sec produces 5 lbs of force for the springfield, if we divide the hit power by the force we get 4.42 hit power per lb of force.

Whereas if we do the same calculation with the M1919A6, we get 4.8 lbs of force, due to the slightly lighter cartridge mass of 25.9, however when we divide this by the hit power of 12, we get 2.5 hit power per lb of force.

That makes absolutely no sense. Why should two weapons with the same muzzle velocity and ammunition type, create vastly different hit powers? Even with the slight deviation in cartridge mass, we can see there is a massive discrepancy.

[Adamnpee]

@BigMoose69

That makes absolutely no sense. Why should two weapons with the same muzzle velocity and ammunition type, create vastly different hit powers?

Because of artificial game balance. BA are designed to one shot in most cases, MG are designed to not one shot in most cases. That’s all to it.

[Bigote0070]

Ins’nt a nerf, Boltys have more damage than LMG even though they use the same caliber (you need arround 10-15 damage points to kill or hurt)

[Josephs_Piano]

All automatic weapons (incl semi-) do much less damage than bolt actions using exactly the same ammunition with exactly the same performance.

It’s basically to make bolt actions ?“competitive” and not be totally replaced by auto weapons ASAP as happened in real life.

Needs to be done because Enlisted doesn’t model the real world economics and other issues associated with actual warfare.

[Valkay]

If you think they did the MGs dirty, just wait and see assult rifles. Basically smg with a little higher dmg output.

[Wieloglow]

Because in machine gun some of the force is used to load the next round, while in the rifle you have to reload manualy after each shot.

[BigMoose69]

exactly - so it makes me wonder why even both putting in cartridge mass details and muzzle velocities, if they have absolutely no bearing on the game whatsoever.

Cool detail for sure… but pointless.

[Wieloglow]

@BigMoose69

Using the calculation of F=ma, we can see that, 26.9g at 830 m/sec produces 5 lbs of force for the springfield, if we divide the hit power by the force we get 4.42 hit power per lb of force.

How do you calculate it if you don’t know the acceleration of the bullet and only its initial speed (830 m/s) ?

Maybe machine guns bullets loss the speed faster than these from the rifle ?

[Josephs_Piano]

@Wieloglow

Maybe machine guns bullets loss the speed faster than these from the rifle ?

There is no reason why that would be the case.

[Wieloglow]

What about confusing mass of the cartridge with a mass of the bullet ?

Can it affect the calculations ?

[Josephs_Piano]

Huh? the question makes no sense - if there’s a mistake in the figures then of course there’s a mistake in the calculated result, but that is irrelevant to actual reality.

the bullets and cartridge’s are the same - with either identical muzzle velocities or if not then very close ones due to different barrel lengths.

There is no physics that allows them to behave differently.

[Wieloglow]

@Josephs_Piano

the bullets and cartridge’s are the same - with either identical muzzle velocities or if not then very close ones due to different barrel lengths.

There is no physics that allows them to behave differently.

But we dont know the mass of the projectile inside the cartridge.

I mean - even if we ignore differences in mechanism of these two firearms (machine gun vs bolt action crap), then for example - Browning can use a lighter bullets and more of a bad quality gun-powder.

The same cartridge mass, the same muzzle velocity, but - lighter bullets and less energy ?

[VoyoMayPL]

@Wieloglow

The same cartridge mass, the same muzzle velocity, but - lighter bullets and less energy ?

They are the same bullet so why would the mass differ?

[Wieloglow]

Energy of the bullet depends on two factors - its mass and its speed. If both guns shoots bullets at the same speed and one gun does smaller damage then one gun must use lighter bullets.

[VoyoMayPL]

Except irl they have the same bullet mass. (Unless I missunderstood.)

It’s a ballance mechanic that has nothing to do with reality.

[Wieloglow]

They are probably the same and that is what I thought, that the smaller damage is a result of different mechanism of the guns. But the screens state clearly the same speed of the bullets (830 m/s) so I was curious about this.

@wikipedia

In military service, the .30-06 was used in the bolt-action M1903 Springfield rifle, the bolt-action M1917 Enfield rifle, the semi-automatic M1 Garand rifle, the semi-automatic M1941 Johnson rifle, the Famage Mauser, the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR), and numerous machine guns, including the M1917 and M1919 series.

[Serpiko82]

@BigMoose69

why even both putting in cartridge mass details and muzzle velocities, if they have absolutely no bearing on the game whatsoever.

Cool detail for sure… but pointless.

This is probably the most sensible post of the whole thread.

[Valkay]

@BigMoose69

The M1919A6, has the same muzzle velocity and calibre as the M1903 below…

my brother in Christ, all MGs have similar damage, its called balance.

[Josephs_Piano]

@Wieloglow

@Josephs_Piano

the bullets and cartridge’s are the same - with either identical muzzle velocities or if not then very close ones due to different barrel lengths.

There is no physics that allows them to behave differently.

But we dont know the mass of the projectile inside the cartridge.

I mean - even if we ignore differences in mechanism of these two firearms (machine gun vs bolt action crap), then for example - Browning can use a lighter bullets and more of a bad quality gun-powder.

The same cartridge mass, the same muzzle velocity, but - lighter bullets and less energy ?

Yes we do know EXACTLY the mass of the bullets - within normal limits.

M1903 Springfields and M1917 Brownings fire the same bullets.

And the mechanism for firing makes exactly ZERO difference to mass or energy of the propellant.

You apparently do not understand the basics of this - so let me make it clear:
THE 2 WEAPONS FIRE THE SAME AMMUNITION

[SKWID22]

@Josephs_Piano

M1917 Brownings

That’s the watercooled version.
Needless to say it would be a cool addition.
It would be like the M1919 but with a slower overheat.