Weaponized APCs for Tech Trees ( All nations )

as a supporter of Halftracks, i do not like how they have been implemented.

the m3a1 being a premium for the soviets made somewhat sense.
but the 251 shouldn’t have been a premium. and as much i love t r u c k s. each faction deserves it’s weaponized halftracks / APCS.
even though we cannot change the past as DF is unwilling, i would like to suggest an alternative that aims to:

  • provide weaponized APCs for all factions
  • bring " new " vehicles
  • cost effective vehicles from already existing ones ( except japan… )

with that in mind, let’s begin:

Soviets

the soviets due to not have many APC, the options are two:

T20 Komsolet ( somewhat in the editor - needs some work/tuning )

specifics:

it’s a small APC weaponized with a DT29
historically, it could transport 6 soldiers and had a crew of two soldiers ( driver & gunner ).

it would be similar something similar to the british Universal carrier. but smaller.

ideally, we already have the Zis 30. hence, shouldn’t bee hard to get a T20 ( like i have a fully functional for my mods )

speaking of universal carrier, the second APC that could be implemented, it could be the:

Bren Carrier ( somewhat in the editor - needs some work/tuning )

part of land lease to the soviets:
nevington-ussr-universal-carrier9

keep in mind that it doesn’t necessary have to get bren guns. matter of fact, most weapons can be applied with a bit of code, and through decorators, like i have done, you can replace all weapons. but for sake of semplicity and just a mere suggestion, i have switched the anti tank boys rifle onto an additional Bren gun.

For the US

well, in the us case it’s really simple. just give them the

M3A1 since it was their mass produced APC.

( but if we want to keep things differently, as shown in the picture, they could get a “weaker” machinegun. aka a 30 cal mounted on the roof. but doesn’t seem worth the effort and still am of the opinion that the soviet premium one should be available in the US TT with us camouflages ).

alternatively,

M3 GMC ( used to be in the editor at some point )

it would be somewhat on pair with the german sdkfz 251/9

which, i know some people dont like TDs onto apcs, but you cannot undone the 251/9.
plus, more is always better.

Japan

japan is very tricky as they didn’t had much of weaponized.

but, the

ho-ki ( not in the game )

armored-tracked-personnel-carrier

could suit our needs. and, add a machinegun to it:
OIP-1
( maybe a type 92 )

and lastly,

Germany

Sdkfz 250 ( not in the game )

OIP-2

the Sonderkraftfahrzeug 250 is similar to the 251, except shorter.
used extensively during the first period of the war both on the eastern front, and north african campaign.

this vehicle had the capacity to transport 4 soldiers and had a crew of 2 ( gunner & driver ). the other difference is, it uses an mg34 opposed as an mg 42

Sdkfz 251/10 ( already in the editor )

if DF is feeling lazy, and are not really keen on adding new type of models like the 250 ( for one reason or another ), they could opt to introduce the 251/10.
which it’s already in the editor:


( ignore the decorations… it’s for one of my upcoming mods )

now, i know some people do not like TDs being APCs. but that boat has sailed with the Stummel being an apc. and arguably, this one wouldn’t be a great TD at br 1 either way. so to at least make it’s usage a bit more relevant than never used ( like the gajdpanzer 70IV ) while reusing what we currently have and not let these vehicle take dust in the editor.

Sdkfz 251/22 ( somewhat in the editor, but needs working )

an upgunned stummel i’d suppose.

and… that’s pretty much it.

but of course, if more people have suggestions, feel free.

P.S.
i know there are many more. but i only tried to include the one who are either in war thunder, or relatively easy to make.

i’m sure many other versions and others unknown designes / protos would also be interesting to get. but i was striving for less work needed with what we have… since we have to scrape the barrel around here for content etc.

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I dont really think that adding APCs with big guns is a good idea, Stummel is already bad enough, just imagine if this was in the tech tree.

same here

Pak36 doesnt have strong HE though so a low caliber gun like this one wouldnt be as bad, but I still think that the Sdkfz 250 is a far better APC for Axis TT.

I agree with everything else, except for:

UC as an APC is a joke.
should have been a rider vehicle instead, but Darkflow in his infinite wisdom…

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i would be opposed to TDs or " funky " vehicles being used as APC, but…

said vehicles wouldn’t be used at all because of being TDs.
which are very unpopular in this game.

personally, i think making them APC was somewhat of a good idea because it incresed their appearance.

still. you don’t see them very often as they are used as " park it somewhere, and forget about it ".

i have to disagree.

the UC was mostly used for transport.
and it was considered an APC.

i’d argue weaponized trucks ( and the daimler being a perfect example for Riders ) along side tankettes, other recon vehicles such as the m3 scout car, etc etc. would be their apropriate vehicle to use and harass enemy infantry from the side etc.

just more mobile and vulnerable " tanks ".
like bikes.

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yes more apc!

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APCs/ motorised infantry are probably my favourite squad in the game.

I wish them some love also. Not only in the TT and variants, but in the form of:

  • the long promised customisation (premiums)
  • overheat removal
  • proper traverse and elevation angles
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and this one:
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mh… combining APC and AA doesn’t sound a bad idea.

much better than taking up a tank slot.

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that may be, but players really hate HE spam (rightfully) grenade launchers were nerfed too even though they werent over used either.
If these pseudo TD APC are only effective on 2 out of 10 maps people will still get frustrated by them especially if their faction doesnt have similar toys.

that may be, but 9 men jumping out of it is comical to say the least, while rider class could also make use of APCs but without the mobile rally function.

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I will buy it.
Anything to annoy those aircraft spammer cucks.

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to be fair, Shells are limited on APC.

i think that’s the right course of action.

plus, are open top. and / or have a limited crew of 4.

not … fancy, but i think it’s sort of balanced.

but i could be wrong.
and we shall see what DF will " cook ".

( if they are not in a dire forced diet )

it is. can’t deny it.

but like many things, we became accustomed to it.

I would love some proper assault ones so i dont feel guilty wasting it as a rally point. (I do it anyway)


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enlisted should have more TT, event and premium apcs, they even added tanks and weapons that were not used in the war (like t20, ho ri, etc.) to the game and yet we don’t have many of the wwii apc’s.
I hope they give a major update for apc’s along with some free slots for everyone to use apc’s.

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or we could just add these vehicles to the rider class so you wouldnt have to waste mobile rallies to assault enemy positions.

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Darkflow is unlikely to ever add APCs to the tech tree. Most likely there will be at best event APCs, at worst premium ones. But it’s worth a try
By the way, the USSR had a couple of experimental APCs during World War II
1)B-3 armored personnel carrier (1944)
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2)Armored sanitary vehicle BA-22

3)TB-42 half-track armored personnel carrier
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I think they’d be good in some event.

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they don’t have weapons though

The B-3 actually had. He had a 12.7 mm DShK machine gun, which could be mounted in the troop compartment on a special rack. If necessary, the crew could fire their personal weapons over the sides of the troop compartment.
The TB 42 had a driver’s mate who had a light machine gun.
The BA-22 was not armed, unfortunately
I actually want to see B-3 in the game. It would be nise.

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interesting.

then sure, i wouldn’t have a problem with more versions :+1:

gotta see if DF will be " feeling it "…

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I wish we only have these instead of freakishly roided super heavy make believe tanks

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Hopefully you can issue move orders to “non-essential” passengers from the vehicle by that time (even if ai are better shots mounted than on foot). Do wonder how they’d do smaller apcs w/ 9 man inf squads…

I would be happy if there is just normal ones with LMGs as a start for every faction specially for Germany will be a big win since right now is just bad what we have in the TT and its really pay2win when you can buy armored vehicle with gun while in the TT you have unarmored without …

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