I don’t know why it bothers you that I ask for the MG42 as it should be, I’m not asking for something fancy like the Allies and Soviets do.
I do not agree with this in my opinion, the MG15 has a base rate of fire of 1200 and when improved it goes up to 1320Plus its 75-round magazine that has -25 than the 100-round belt Ammo doesn’t last long when you leave the bolt pressed when you are forced to do so due to the huge amount of enemies.What’s on the Front For this reason and apart from that, more than ever, the MG42 was operated according to its doctrine.
Due to the repeated design and production delays, only 20 Pershing tanks were introduced into the European theater of operations before the Battle of the Bulge. This first shipment of Pershings arrived in Antwerp in January 1945. They were given to the 1st Army, which split them between the 3rd and 9th Armored Divisions.[43] A total of 310 T26E3 tanks were eventually sent to Europe before VE Day, with 200 being issued to the troops. The actual number that engaged in combat is unknown.[44]
A single Super Pershing was shipped to Europe and given additional armor to the gun mantlet and front hull by the maintenance unit before being assigned to one of the tank crews of the 3rd Armored Division. The new gun on the Super Pershing could pierce 13 inches (330 mm) of armor at 100 yards (91 m). The front hull was given two 38 mm steel boiler plates, bringing the front up to 38+38+102 mm of armor. The plates were applied at a greater slope than the underlying original hull plate. The turret had 80 mm thick rolled homogeneous armor (RHA) from a Panther upper glacis welded to the mantlet, covering the front. This added about five tonnes to the tank weight, requiring extra armor added to the turret for balance.[citation needed]
An account of the combat actions of this tank appeared in the war memoir Another River, Another Town, by John P. Irwin, who was the tank gunner. Zaloga described three actions in his book.[vague] [citation needed] On 4 April, between Weser and Nordheim, the Super Pershing engaged and destroyed a German tank, or something resembling a tank, at a range of 1,500 yd (1,400 m). According to Zaloga, it is possible this vehicle was a Jagdpanther from the 507th Heavy Panzer Battalion. On 12 April, the Super Pershing claimed a German tank of unknown type. On 21 April, the Super Pershing was involved in a short-range tank duel with a German tank, which it knocked out with a shot to the belly. Irwin described this German tank as a Tiger, but Zaloga was skeptical of this claim.[56][57] The tank was likely a Panzer IV.[58] After the war, the single Super Pershing in Europe was last photographed in a vehicle dump in Kassel, Germany, and was most likely scrapped.[59]
- i agree that they should introduce 1200 rpm mg42 as it was iconic rate of fire. 1500 wasnt.
- if you want 250 round belt, then i also want barrel change after 150 rounds. this was also written in manual.
- most prototype and captured weapons was introduced to counter german weapons for which allies didnt have counter. unless you want totally unbalanced game where germany reigns supreme.
- BRs dont have anything to do with years, neither do maps. at best you will get maps and BR divided by early war(low BR), mid war(all BR) and late war(only high BR).
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The 1200 cadence would be left to the MG34/41, the 1500 is better for the MG42 The 1650 of the MG45 Premium is fascinating its Cadence to clean although it does not reach 1800 as it should
This is my personal opinion
Provide them.
That’s beyond the scope of my initial point and the primary argument. This discussion is about your ridiculous request of a 1500rpm and 250 round belt machine gun for Germany in the tech tree instead of an event item where such an item rightfully belongs at best. Keep on topic and please provide your evidence for the relevant point.
Pershing did not see combat in the Ardennes
Don’t deviate from the topic, show me the documents of the weapons that I mentioned, where and when they were used.To affirm your participation in a WW2 GAME
Don’t avoid historical accuracy now that it suits you
The Pershing did not see combat, it is as if the IS-3 was in the game just because it was in Berlin at the Victory Parade.
did not see combat in battle of bulge, but has landed in europe at that time and was used in combat afterwards. like i said maps arent based on year so it really doesnt matter either way.
btw for pershing not seeing combat
February 26, 1945, was a cold day with rain falling on the muddy secondary roads upon which the 3rd Armored Division was traveling. Boudinot’s Combat Command B was split into two elements, Task Force Welborn on the left aiming for Elsdorf and Task Force Lovelady on the right heading for the village of Berrendorf. The former group was led by Lt. Col. John C. Welborn. Within his 1st Battalion, 33rd Armored Regiment was one of the new M26 Pershing tanks, No. 38, christened Fireball by its crew. Fireball took the lead as Task Force Welborn bore down on Elsdorf. Ironically, this Pershing was originally one of Task Force Lovelady’s complement of four attached to Company F, 2nd Battalion, 33rdArmored Regiment. How it ended up spearheading Welborn’s advance has never been explained.
The deserted village of Elsdorf had been prepared for defense by the Germans with log roadblocks set up at each western approach, a few antitank guns on the outskirts of town, and some German soldiers deployed within the hamlet.
As dusk arrived, Fireball reached the edge of Elsdorf and halted in front of a log barricade on the Steinstrass Road near a level railway crossing. Upon seeing the arrival of the Pershing, the German infantrymen panicked and quit their posts. This encouraged the Pershing’s crew to try to cross the log barrier by driving over it. As the American tank tried to pass over the wooden obstacle, three Tiger I tanks from Heavy Panzer Battalion 301, attached to 9th Panzer Division, entered Elsdorf from the east and moved through the village toward its western end. Two of the Tigers stopped halfway through the village, while the third, No. 201, continued to scout ahead in the dark.
Meanwhile, as Fireball tried to barge its way over the log roadblock, an American M4 drove up and stopped just behind the Pershing. Suddenly, the night sky was torn by an explosion as the newly arrived Sherman was ripped apart by either German Panzerfaust or artillery fire. The flaming U.S. tank silhouetted Fireball perfectly in the darkness, allowing the Tiger to fire three fast rounds at only 100 yards. All three German shells hit the Pershing, knocking it out of action and killing two of its crew.
In seconds the first Pershing on the Western Front had been destroyed in action. However, the jubilation the Tiger crew must have felt at its victory over an unknown American tank type was short lived. Reversing violently to change position after shooting the American, the Tiger got hung up on a pile of rubble, its front still facing the roadblock. After several vain attempts were made to free the Tiger from its trap, the German crew abandoned the vehicle.
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I know they are not based on year, but since you like Historical Accuracy when it comes to the MG42 the same should apply with the Pershing and other “Fictional” weapons that did not see combat or that There are no maps they participated in to affirm their incorporation into the Game As it is in this case,So they should be removed because there is still no map where they have seen combat in WW2
Also by the way, is that place you say is in the game to confirm its incorporation into the game?
This is not historically accurate. How convenient now that it suits them. But when it comes to Germany, then it must be “historically” accurate.
The initial question and burden of proof was requested of you first. You’re deflecting from the main point of the conversation. If you’re unwilling to provide evidence for your claim for your absurd suggestion, then I have nothing more to say from henceforth.
Stop avoiding the question and provide the proof. Stop attempting to deflect and deviate from the initial topic.
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I’m waiting for your documents and stop evading now that historical accuracy is not convenient for you.
As expected, as you have always done and will do whenever the MG42 comes up in conversation.
You deflect and attempt to make a completely different argument than what was initially discussed. This isn’t about any other weapon or vehicle.
This is about the MG42, of which you have provided nothing when asked to substantiate and validate your claims and reasoning as to why on earth such a thing should be in the tech tree. When nothing else even comes close.
If you were making the argument for such a thing to be an event item it would be far less egregious and in line with similar such items.
As I said before I’ve nothing further to say on the matter since you’re unwilling to stay on topic and provide proof, or valid reasoning for why such a ridiculous suggestion should be implemented.
Have a good day.
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Isnt it bit late for that ?
Wikipedia says 1200-1500rof, so such did exist and most likely was used as well.
you can link those 50 belts to ~50 000 if you wish so belt lenght hardly is issue.
I find it slightly weird that further than that “evidence” of such existence is required when such as hyde definitely was never used.
Same was said about M2, game didnt really die, regardless clear population shift towards murrica was notable for several weeks.
Mg42 with 100 belt was argued to be game breaking QQ bawwbaww some months ago.
So far havent been in a single game where this balance breaking mg42 100 belt was the decisive factor.
Quite sure T20 or Hyde wasnt standard issue either but for some odd reason it seems those are most represente for murrica in br5.
So if this somekind of historical accuracy reason, sounds bit double standards.
Far as I know u can link the 50 belts as many as u wish.
And then again we’re yet again back at question, why 250 belt would require some sort of evidence of existence when there clearly never was hyde carbines for example ?
Event / TT, dont really care.
Just find it slightly amusing that existence of such as 250 belts requires some kind eye witness evidence while entire BR5 murrica runs with never used protos.
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AFAIK all of those weapons have their actual performance and not edge case performance which was not common. also they were introduced cause german weapons were either OP or allies didnt have actual service counterpart to counter them.
now you want weapon that is again overperforming(at least on paper) with loads of ammo and that is in TT. to counter exactly what? germans already have fastest mg rof in TT(mg 15 with 1320rpm) and in premium(mg 45 with 1650 rpm). only thing that allies have advantage is in stinger which they should fix to have 100 rounds instead of current 200.
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If you’re going to quote from something be honest about the entire quote. The average was 1200 and certain bolts could get it to 1500. We already have MG42 and adjacent models that reach these fire rates, alongside machine gun nests.
Game balance, 250 rounds at 1500rpm is absurd as a tech tree item.
Not the argument I’m making. I’m saying an MG42 with at 250 round belt at 1500rpm in the tech tree is absurd.
Not talking about anything other than the MG42. That’s beyond the scope of my discussion.
It’s a frequently brought up point by Zomber, as if 250 round belts were the standard for German machine gunners on the move, despite such only being used in machine gun nests and other such similar fortified positions. I’m asking for proof it was used in anything but.
I do. It’s my main and primary point of contention.
Such an item akin to the stinger should be in scarce supply.
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and devs should actually fix stinger to have 100 rounds cause they have modeled 100 round box.
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This is no argument to deny the MG42’s Ammunition Rate and Capacity,I repeat where and when the weapons Prototypes the T20, Hyde M1944 and the AS-44 were used They were used in WW2The Jumbo did not see combat in the Normandy campaign But there I was fighting against the Puma, Panzer III, IV J/H And when the Panther arrived in Normandy they defended the Jumbo even more. Why was the Panther very OP since the Allies had nothing to counter it There they don’t care about historical accuracyThe Pershing and Super Pershing did not see combat in 44 but in 45, which I also mentioned to you. Where and when did they fight in Normandy, Ardennes, Hurtgen and in the Pacific?They didn’t and there are no maps of German soil where the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS fought.Against the Allies Where it makes clear that there is no map available that affirms the incorporation of these tanks where I also mention the Pershing variant With rocket launchers from December 45 several months after the end of WW2
So stop talking about this because it suits your faction.
Yes I completely agree, it should be 100 as it’s modelled I still find it very weird that it’s not.