Uptier Uragan SMG and Fedorov 1912 (or remove them completely))

Fedorov 1912 is strong but not OP. Germany simply needs a better BR 2 semi-auto to compete with it. 5 rounds ZH-29 or Armaguerra chambered in 7.35mm could be good candidates.

MAB 38/42 might get a 550 RoF buff in a future. Still not on par with soviet SMG’s. but at least it’s something…

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Or buff Arma.

well so your source claims 650 rpm for MP35, Wikipedia states 550 rpm, three different youtube videos show 900 rpm,

I suspect higher pressure loads for new* 9mm rounds, so 650 rpm sounds actually believable…

it would be better to buff other SA rifles to level of fedorov cause they are currently underwhelming for BR2.

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It has same dmg as geeweheheher at br IV.
Stalinium rounds.

I want to use MP40 without crippling myself - there needs to be a way to make low RPM guns still be good, MP40 is the most iconic German SMG and should be excellent in its own BR.

All those buff suggestions might help Germany, tho this particular statement is ridiculous:

BR2 has issues but BR3?

ZK 383 and Beretta 38A are excellent guns for BR3, sure G41 is useless because of bad reload speed and low damage, but you only need SMGs anyways to win the game, if you really need better mid range fire power, MG34 are great for BR3.
Also PPSH 41 box mag might have rifle accuracy, but I still refuse to believe this is by design ( yes I live in denial about that, I refuse to believe the devs are that ridiculous)

well sadly source that i trust only has bmp34 with 540 rpm. idk what changes are between bmp32, bmp34 and mp35 and how it affects their ROF. from reading about it, they should all be more or less same gun that was made in different factories(with slight change in design), so it is quite possible for them to be made with different recoil springs affecting their ROF.

i dont take youtube as credible source unless it comes from forgotten weapons. it would be best to have first hand source like bergmann manual or testing from various nation armies at that time etc.
second hand information from books that quote sources is also acceptable.

Dont really understand with what logic these are comparable to iconic ppsh box that puts modern sniper rifles in shame with its accuracy.

The current berettas / Mp38&40 vs pps is imo much smaller issue, regardless its issue nevertheless.

This sht was discovered at the same time as mp38’s 0.18 ? Dispersion.
Guess which one got fixed.

well considering usual soviet playerbase, maybe it is actually nerf. with more dispersion, they might accidentally hit something :rofl:

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PPS43 or PPSH 41 box both excellent guns, PPSH 41 has zero dispersion which is noticable, but in the end it still doesnt make you kill targets at 100 meters distance much faster than PPS43.

the gun has zero dispersion which breaks the logic of firearm balance, but luckily that gun has bullet drop, recoil and other factors like low damage at range and muzzle flash that hinder it from being a literal sniper rifle.

I dont think the jump from PPS 43 to PPSH41 is crazy noticeable, but the jump from MP40 to ZK and Beretta is absolutely noticeable

well, funny, which is why I suspect people really like MGs with their dispersion.

lol no. Nothing wrong with those two guns where they are. The problem with BR2 Germany is uptiers from BR3 and etc. Sounds like a skill issue to me m8.

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If DF wants to leave the FNAB at it current ROF, then they should buff the hitting power to 10 to compensate. As it is now, it shoots far slower yet I believe has the same hitting power as the PPS’s. However, “IF” the FNAB actually did come with a much higher ROF then the 400 plus DF gave it, IMOP it would be better to just put it at 600 or up, and they should consider a drop of the PPS-43 down to 600 which probably is a more accurately correct ROF. Or DF could just create a second FNAB 43 so those who like the lower rate can keep there’s, while the second version shoots more accurately 600-690 and, like the Beretta M1930 smg can have two variations.

To be honest, this is all moot anyway as 99.9% of our suggestions are DOA the moment we click the yellow save at the bottom before we post…Prove me wrong DF. :yum:

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I have 430+ hours in the game, plus I play on a GTX 1650 and live in Australia, which already places me at a disadvantage, but I still manage to get top place. It’s an imbalance in the game, not individual skill.

Even the mighty ZK still can’t match the Uragan, damage or rpm, but it’s close. But maybe I should’ve said tier III instead of BR III, because I’m pretty sure a lot of people use MP40s because they think being tier III, it’s a BR III gun, when in reality it’s only a BR III gun.

*BR II gun (auto fill)

MP40 fights BR3 guns in the form of PPS 43 - no need to be uptiered

Rather nerf 7.62 tokarev dmg.
Technically they are in line, from least dmg to highest 7.62 tokarev - 9mm and .45

But obviously, it wont happen so atleast they could decrease dispersion significantly for low rof guns so they could atleast compete in precisision.

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Forgotten weapons showed around 900 rpm when he shot it too

just buff FNAB 43 rate of fire and everything will be “fine”. according to different sources FNAB 43 could fire 600-837 rounds per minute.

give the basic FNAB 43 (un-upgraded) a ROF of 600-650 (= 660-715 fully upgraded) and problem on this topic is solved.
@Euthymia07 was the FNAB 43 issue with the ROF ever forwared?

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