TZ-45 decrease BR III --> BR II - opinions?

What is your opinion on the topic?
Comparing the TZ-45 with the Thompson 7.63, the “Tommy Gun” is superior in terms of rate of fire, reload time, and recoil. Only the magazine size speaks in favor of the TZ-45.
And TBH even the Uragan SMG and the PPS-43 are better in terms of rate of fire and recoil.

I know that many people (including me) want a german SMG which are equal with the Thompson / Uragan / PPS-43 on BR II → for example buff the FNAB rate of fire (was requested multiple times).
Additional buffing that TZ-45 just by decreasing the BR wouldn’t be such a mess.

Share your opinios here. :slight_smile:


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The TZ-45 is basically no different to the M1A1, which is now BR II (except of course 40 rounds vs 30, but damages less and is premium so that’s fine).

What would be most beneficial is if the FNAB was upgraded to 600 rpm (or thereabouts), as it’s more accessible to everyone. As much as I love the MP40, i know I would use the FNAB in a heartbeat if it were upgraded.

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Definitely not. TZ-45 is currently one of the best German BR3 smgs.

Germany already have 20+ BR2 Smgs, there’s is no need for more of them.

TZ-45 should stay on BR3.

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It would be huge mess. Stop robbing higher BRs of good smgs.

Stop powercreeping BR2.

It’s disgusting.

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Sure why not. Soviets and Americans are ultra powerful now at BR2.

Also buff MAS-38 as it has too low of dmg per hit and too high of recoil.

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It’s a bit too late with M1A1 + Uragan + PPS42/43, 2A + 50 rounds!!! Type 1 smg at BR2. Germany got power creeped long time ago by all nations. Better make them on par with other nations rather than be left behind.

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darkflow could have just moved the pps-43 to br3 instead of bringing all of br3 to br2

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So it’s okay for you if USA / UK and UDSSR have them and Axis not? :sweat_smile:
And if it is a good SMG why not still using them in high BR? :slight_smile:

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a decent shotgun :frowning:

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If Darkflow would listen to the community…

Community told them during the tests multiple times that URAGAN SMG is to strong for BR II. Same goes for the Thompson 7.63 which started the powercreep.
And what did Darkflow? Ignoring us.

So Allies and UDSSR have in that case the powercreep weapons xD

true in that case.
Either Darkflow buff FNAB and give it the real rate of fire or give us TZ-45. :slight_smile: TBH I prefer the first one but I can live also with the second one :slight_smile:

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I mean, USA is the punching bag of Enlisted with their army of stuarts and M13 MGMCs at BR5

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But to be honest: that is the fault of the players which doen’t know that they can pick a stronger tank because of the “tank system”

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I mean, nothing prevents people from still using them at high BR if it is for their performance alone.

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Dunno, also see plenty of Panzer IIs and T-26s in Berlin with occasional T-50s. It feels like it is only the Japanese players who do not spam low-tier tanks in BR5 matches.

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They have upgraded to have Crusaders at BR5 :joy:

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@Adamnpee @Dregomz

Please don’t get at each other’s throats. Let’s discuss the matter sensibly.

@adam
It’s not a must to set that squad to BR II. It was more of a “thought experiment” than a heartfelt wish and I only wanted to here the community opinions - nothing more.

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That’s such hypocritical reasoning. It won’t matter anytime soon, yes.

But once those weapons are downgraded to lower BR, they will be seen as BR2 weapons. They will completely lose any potential to buff and rebalance according to powercreep in the future.
It’s literally just a devaluing of premium squad.

That’s why I hate when BR2 mains are pushing for unnecessary changes like this. Robbing higher BRs of good stuff just so they can bully newbies on lower BRs.

I would be much happier if they left the TZ-45 at BR3 and just correctly buffed the FNAB 43 to it’s correct rate of fire which would then put it on par with the PPS42. IMOP this is a much better plan, especially since the FNAB is a TT weapon while the TZ is one premium squad. Besides, their aren’t many decent level three smg’s for Germany, the only other one I like is the ZK-383.

I would however move the MP-35/I from level three to level two since there is already a level two MP-35 event gun and other then the barrel length they are basically the same gun.

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How is it fair for TZ-45 being at BR3? Yeah it’s 2 hit kill weapon but only if you are at close range and when Soviets doesn’t wear their body armor. Sadly i see them using it at BR2-3 more and more often.

M1A1 is a 2hit kill weapon that doesn’t need to go vs Sov turtle army and also due much higher starting dmg it can 2 hk at much longer distances.

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