Type 96 and Type 99 LMG Scoped Suggestion: White Pilled Edition

[Ron_McKracker]

The biggest issue with adding functioning scopes for the Japanese LMGs is that they use a periscope-style sight. To add this to Enlisted, it would require a dual render scope that would reduce the framerate for the game when aiming with the LMG.

See a good explanation from @Never_Flaccid of why the technique wouldn’t work here:

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@Never_Flaccid

It’s not possible to add their scope-in ability without implementing a picture in picture scope, this is because the scope of these two weapons are not straight, they’re periscope sight.

Type 96 LMG with the periscope model in game version 0.4.3.26

So to make it work you need to have a camera looking through the front end of the scope and project the image as a render texture onto the rear scope lens, but this technique will reduce the framerate of the game when scoping in these weapons.

@Never_Flaccid

TLDR: No, that’s looking through the scope. The Type 96 and Type 99 LMG front and rear lens of the scope does not align so the current scope effect will not work. What I was referring to is known as picture in picture rendering where the final image you see on screen is rendered using 2 or more cameras.

No, that’s still looking straight through the cylindrical scope using some sort of material shader that hide the inside of the scope and the gun muzzle.

When looking through a tube you will see two circles of different size, the biggest circle will be the end of the tube closest to you the smaller circle will be the furthest end.

The difference in size between the 2 circles for sniper scope in the game is much smaller despite the scope length, this is because every part of the gun that is in the pixel area of the rear scope lens is hidden.

When zooming a scope the game will:

• change the camera FOV
• hide every targeted materials ( gun parts ) within the rear scope lens area
• hide the rear scope lens
• add blur effect outside of the scope
• add reticle overlay

The current scope effect make you look straight through the scope using only 1 camera. The Japanese LMG use a periscope, so when you zoom in with the currently implemented scope effect, part of the scope will be in the rear lens pixel area and outside of it at the same time like the bend part of the scope.

When you hide the highlighted part you will have a floating front scope that doesn’t seem to be attached to anything while zooming in.

@Never_Flaccid

@Ron_McKracker

I have seen a claim that it would not be possible for the devs to add telescopic sights to the Nambu Type 96 and Nambu Type 99 machine guns due to the telescopic sight being periscope sight.

Unless they implement dual render scope.

@Ron_McKracker

how were Antimatter Games able to successfully add telescopic sights to the Nambu Type 96 and Nambu Type 99 machine guns in Red Orchestra 2?

They implement dual render scope.

Example:

Red Orchestra 2 German Sniper - 4K

You can tell this because the picture inside the scope have a different magnification from the picture outside of it. So for the final image the GPU would have to render the scene twice, it will drop the framerate especially for people with high graphic settings and for people with low end PC.

Dual render scope is just another way of saying for projecting the image from camera #1 onto an image from camera #2. Watch about 20 seconds of this video from the timestamp, you can see that the image from a camera is projected onto an object inside the frame of another camera (your screen camera).

That is essentially how dual rendering work regarding sniper scope in a video game, you can place a camera anywhere you want and project the image onto a target mesh like the lens material at the back of the scope for example.

Mind you that all of the scope in RO2 use dual render, where Enlisted does not. So Darkflow would have to implement a new scope mechanic that would negatively impact the game performance and make it less accessible to a lot of people with low end PC. Just my take on why Darkflow don’t want to add scope for the mentioned LMGs.

But Darkflow is not the only one who realized this, as the devs for Squad 44 understood the complication as well. Watch at 0.25 speed what they did to avoid this issue:

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Now compare this to Red Orchestra 2, which uses the dual rendered scope for their Japanese LMG telescopic sight:

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After seeing this, I now have hope that once again we might be able to put telescopic sights on the Nambu Type 96 and the Nambu Type 99. It might look odd when toggling the iron sights and telescopic sights (like in screenshot #3 for Squad 44, but this can be hidden if the toggle is sped up enough.

And even if the devs at Squad 44 still used two cameras for the sights (the two lenses shown above look suspicious to me), y’all (Devbros) don’t have to include that camera. Just set the camera needed to make the telescopic sight work and you will be in business.

I hope to see this done at least before the Soviet-Japanese front update because I believe it would be fruitful to lump it together with the new weapons and vehicles you plan to give the Japanese. But if you can’t finish by then, that is alright, better late than never.

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One day we shall have our glorious scopes brothers, and if the devs bless us, they will even have the proper markings instead of a vertical line.

[Ron_McKracker]

We must hold the line.

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