Time for a split? Arcade vs Realistic

It seems that the new match maker caused kind of a split in the comminity.
So maybe it’s high time to introduce 2 gamemodes kind of like in war thunder: Arcade and Realistic.

I don’t know if the playerbase is big enough though. Judging by the idea of 2 queues, I guess it’s not great.

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Warthunder started ground RB 2 years after it released.

I dont know how the population at that point compares to enlisted now

But even these days i happily wait up to 5 mins for a full match. YouTube ftw

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Darkflow only has BR1-3 and BR3-5 in their matchmaking, rather than 5, if they want a true balance.
I think there may just no enough players to split for this game. There maybe an arcade and historical mode if population in this game grows, but i doubt it will ever happens :face_exhaling:

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i wish,

not in this lifetime though.

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i’m not precisely sure how you’re planning to make realistic vs arcade work in enlisted.

because in war thunder, it’s about hints and HUD.

not really about HA or arcade.

the game is still arcade outside simulatives.

if you want to supposedly carry over the similar system, you would open for germans on the beaches of guardalcanal or japanese against soviet forces on d-day :skull:

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I dare say realistic would have a different BR tree (slightly), no lead indicators or penetration indicators, larger play areas, possibly movement modifiers

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Have merged(arcade) squads mode with BR and tiers and then have immersive squads mode where instead you have timer periods with time specific weapons even the rare and prototype weapons considered. And immersive instead of having 4 or less, will require your group to have 5 or more players. And you and your group pick the time period for the host’s preferred front and you will be given a certain Arsenal tailored to the time period to equip your squad with. And then when your in queue, it will be qeueueing you up against another group of around the requirements of 5 or more too. So make merged mode for those who want to have fun and then make the immersive mode to please the ones who want historical sense or an unique atmosphere.

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you would need something completely new and never done before in enlisted outside mods.

but if you would like to wait 10 mins in a que que just to play with campaigns dictator on equipment.
you can be my guest.

but i doubt we’ll get any:

we’ll see what they will come up with either way.

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isn’t what customs are there for?

or i’m missing something.

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Hehe i was there at the beginning of warthunder GRB before it got going.

Has to start somewhere

Baby steps

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my condolences

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Wouldn’t mind having a longer queue on immersive mode. Just as long as I’m not forced to play Moscow or Stalingrad games against people with vulkssturm guns and I have a mode where I can have an immersive atmosphere then I’m ok with it. Once again merged mode is just for having balanced fun

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again.

isn’t what customs are supposed to be ?

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Customs have a 90% exp reduction. And having to set up a custom match just for some immersion is something no one should have to do. I feel like there should be a game mode for it.

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you kinda pointed out the reasons somewhat already.

you don’t have numbers to maintain one unless you’re in a clan.
which even then, clans i have whitenessed that does milsims type of things are precisely 2.

and… what makes you think you’ll have enough of players to maintain entire matchmaker?

as much i’m one of the actual few hardcore purists and yada yada yada, it simply won’t work.

HA is of niche. especially in enlisted standard.

all i’m saying is, if alot of people wouldn’t actively “waste” time trying to change the base game ( that won’t change. it didnt’ changed in 3 years for that matter, i doubt it will now ) would be alot more productive to improve the customs side. or at least, bring more attentions to it.

for example, reduce the drastic xps( but not to a point of achieving bot farm unless is: ). allow pves with difficulties, perhaps some daily cap xps. and what have you.

but i suppose no one really cared back then, not even now.

p.s. it’s also the main reason why devs wanted to introduce equipment limitator over customs.
so one can choose in better details and make sure the opposition or teammates don’t time travel.

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in my mind, realistic battles would be:

  • no perks/upgrades
  • no pen/lead indicators
  • no hit markers
  • possibly slower weapon handling

but opposed to hardcore leave everything that is neccesery to convinient gameplay:

  • HUD markers
  • minimap
  • cap progress
    etc.

I doubt devs let it be main game mode though, so I’d be satisfied if this could be achieved through custom games

right now it is either standard or hardcore and I’m satisfied with neither of those.

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Yeah but having the two game modes that I’ve mentioned will bring in more players regardless. So you could possibly end up getting enough players to form groups to rival each other. And trust me it’s a small community in the Xbox Enlisted but people know each other and have friend groups who will have friendly rivalries every now and then on different campaigns.

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such a slippery slope that almost everyone will have different opinions on it.

and… you’re supposed to follow who, and listen what?
( in devs perspective of developeling )

personally, i’m neutral about it.
at this point, as i’ve grown to become indifferent, i just want pves and chill ( even if it means no xps at all. i just don’t care anymore )

yeah about that…

would be great.
no really.

too great that it cannot be done in fact.
( actually, you somewhat can, but with some discrepancies )

( but seriously… upgrade those forsaken customs already )

which their place would be there.

well, the main reason devs opted for something similar to wt ( and essentially merge ) it’s because enlisted it has somewhat of a small playerbase.

which lead to campaigns being unplayed or one sided.
with the issue on top of no balance for new players, which has been one of the major " turn off ".

we can’t really complain about the outcomes.

it didn’t worked so far, i’m not sure it will.

hence, once again, customs should be the answer.

if then works, you could at least prove a point and THEN push for HA / realistic / buzzword that you want to use in the main matchmaker.

because that’s kinda one thing either, gotta admit Tuspolis when he was right.
you can’t really ask for ha matchmaker when you don’t really have concrete numbers to support your claims.

which, this claim of ha could have been backed up from such a long time since customs were introduced.

yet, almost no one cared to make consistents HA matches and what have you.
leading to make everyone come to the conclusion that there aren’t alot of numbers for it.

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But wouldn’t doing custom matches take away from the main queue too?

I think this is about the time since after the merge many players will fly right to custom games to play campaign specific battles, I feel we gonna see a lot more populated custom games.