Funny because the MPs all function as well as an AR when it comes to range. Nevermind that with the almost non-existent recoil you can just aim for heads and land them 90% of the time even in full auto if they’re close to eachother.
“We just get MP40 reskins”
Which are all functionally the same meaning you have a much higher chance to get SMGs to fill out and upgrade your squads weapons which is even further in your favor. The only way to use the PPDs outside of shooting across a room is to go prone and fire 3-5 round bursts and even then you have to be careful.
There are more times that I die to an MP while laying into him with my PPK or PPD than I die in the reverse situation to any of the Soviet SMGs. Night and day with things like that. Yet all I hear is how German SMGs lose out to the PPD because of their fire rate.
The German starter LMG is trashier than the Madsen, but it’s followed up by the wonderful laser beam that is the MG13 and you can fill a squad with four of them to jump to whenever you empty your mag. So soviets get a shotgun which is kinda meme-ey but is extremely situational and the Germans get an extra SMG for logistic pulls and a much better LMG.
Also semi-auto on the PPDs still has the same spastic recoil as full auto. You can really only mitigate it by going prone.
i would personally treat the MG 13 and PPD counterparts of each other, and the madsen and the MPs
each side gets a high and a low rate of fire automatic
also, @73507743 you complained about the MPs even when they had the 5.5 damage per shot with the PPDs had 6.0 AND the higher firerate so it’s all about handling for you
I guess a slight decrease in recoil for the PPDs could work but do not buff their damage/firerate
And for the record, I am in no ways saying the PPDs need a buff or recoil taken away. Just that the MPs are superior in every regard aside from using the PPD Drum to clear a building so there’s no reason to cry about your 9mm ARs.
Should give the Soviets back the Maxim-Tokarev so they have their second LMG and give the Krauts the Drilling shotgun.
And low firerate always wins (like we had Dp-27 that was much stronger than Mg-13 in alpha). Quick firing guns need some love, not only for russia, but for Germany too
I agree, recoil must be fixed. Damage is not the problem
Decrease PPD recoil a bit, increase MP recoil a bit? both could change so bolt actions and shotguns get some room to be the controllable weapon for split second reactions
yes and ppd drum was and still is a great gunit’s only inferior when it come to the 25 round verison and again i don’t believe that the 0.2 on the german side can really affect the results as for before i remmber that the german mp were considereably more powerful in terms of damage but i still found PPD with drum better when i was russia main and i still see it kicking ass i close quarters, also do you know what else i see kicking ass? shotgun bu i don’t comaplin about it cause they are shotgun you are complaining about an allver good machine gun being better than PPD from all guns in close quarters… spoiler alert PPD with DRUM is the king of close quarters also you need to take in consideration that guns are upgradable meaning that people have started upgrading thei smgs and you might have gotten that felling due to you useing an un upgraded ppdm against and upgraded mp
That and we need bigger, open field maps like in post scriptum. I made a post about this suggestion a week ago
First make it so the playerbase can support it. I’m getting too many matches with half bots on both sides.
You ever heard about medium quarters? Use your good old PPD at medium quarters against the whole german Mp squad and call me when you kill a single guy
While currently not playing the game (until that lootbox of a mechanic named “Logistics” is changed as the devs said), I recall perfectly the handling of the MPs & PPDs from before the change & after the change. Basically the PPD (exclude the boxed one) had only one issue that it isn’t registering hits (Still) & beside that a true SMG, the MP was more for capable at mid range even which was really good.
However, with the change & the fact that you can only obtain the PPD-Drum at lvl 11 (previously was from lvl 1 I believe or really low) it got a dmg increase which I don’t find necessary, again the issue with it not registering hits & with 71 rounds you can kill stuff at range at the expense of ammo. But! for the MPs it a lot different story, while previously you were able to kill stuff at range now it a lot difficult, I kid you not I hit a soldier with 6 registered bullets without dying they were all white & I don’t believe it was a premium one (was hard to identify it was covered somewhat by a bush).
Note here I’m not talking about the premium squads or weapons, I don’t agree them being around in the very first place. I think bringing back the weapons stats for these 2 weapons would be for the best, not sure of the effect of giving the PPD-Drum as it was previously & would it would interact with the matter but from my view I think it should because most of the time the comparison between the PPDs & MPs are happening with the “Drum” version than the boxed.
i find the MP recoil fine, when it comes to PPD maybe a bit but still by looking at videos i don’t see people going overboard with the full auto and considing the amount of ammo and fire rate it has it seem to be having just about the right amoutn of recol and the recoil being noticeable only when you go overboard with sustained fire
Lol you are passing waaaay out of the line here. Why don’t we nerf PPD even more
you ever heard of controlled fire? yeah dude mp is better at mid quarters but that doesn’t mean ppd is not good, ppd’s strengh is being devastating at close quarters and and mp is just a solid smg that can do good in both close and the mid range, do you see people making threads about ppd being better at close quarters being unfair and go “muh try going in close quarters against a squad of PPDs”
do you have low iq? what are you talking about mister i want to have the advantage on everything, you arguement is “muh he has an advanatge on that by using it’s gun strangh it’s op” neither oft eh 2 are op they are both greta guns it all comes down to peronal taste if you love that much the smgs and you want to have a more well rounded smg maybe switch to axis but i bet if you do you will cry about PPD being too stong in close quarters and say the mp is a weak gun and go like “have you tried facing pdd squad at close quarters with mp?”
I could argue that the MP could use a slight increase in recoil and the PPD box a decrease
german main here so im advocating for a nerf of my own guns
1% of all engagements in invasion mode are at extremely close quarters, Mp also preforms better on the lake map. PPD is only good for cleaning up houses
nah if PPD get a decrease it shoudl be all ppds, maybe even the drum version should ahve less due to more weight compare to the boxed
the box PPD would have easier handling due to being able to hold the gun by the magazine
also would make the drum a slight sidegrade.