I think that creating a new faction is not necessary linked to BR. For example your take France 1940, and when choosing this faction you have only BRI or II on the maps of FRANCE. For the oponent, as always, germans would need indeed to play in BRI or II. Like the african maps that are in BRI or II/III
yes, they would be nice, but we need to fix all the other issues the game has rn, like the lack of japanese equipment (of which there are many missing like the Type 2A (1934) as an AR and some BR 3-5 prototype infantry AT weapons.)
Here are my suggestions for a few tech trees. There is Finland, China, UK-Commonwealth, Italy, Poland and France, not all tech trees are 100% completed and some tech trees like China and poland i think need to stay BR4 max as they donât really have any BR5 stuff. But you could kinda give the chinese the Sichuan SIG KE7 as BR5 rifle, Type 30 MG as BR5 MG and some american aircraft and tanks to make them BR5, but it could be a bit too fantasy meaby bec the chinese didnât use any pershings. At best they opperated the M4A4 Sherman.
Finland
France
China
Poland
British/commonwealth
Italy
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waou thatâs great, hope developpers heard us!
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ye, i think that the devs need to get more ideas from the playerbase and have them as a big part of the gameâs development. For example I think the japan situation with their lack of high tier TT equipment would be better, if the devs would listen and get more help from the playerbase, cuz people have made many japanese weapon suggestions that would fill out the Japanese high tier TT.
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Agreed. Like someone suggested adding more Swiss weapons since Switzerland was neutral and Japan did use some Swiss weapons.
Iâd rather legitimate Swiss weapons (even if Japan didnt technically use them) to BS prototypes that never left the designers head.
Also excellent work with those tech trees.
See there are a lot of haters who say waaaa no new factions cause they cant go to BR V.
They are willfully ignorant of all the potential weapons/vehicles that can be added for each nation. Like France for example thereâs been multiple suggestions of French tech trees and each personâs suggestions have had new ideas.
Furthermore people seem to assume that every single nation needs its own faction. This is not true.
Like I believe that a France-Poland-Netherlands-Belgium tech tree would not only work but be quite good.
The combination of four nations, especially France & Poland means the tech tree for BR I-III, maybe IV would be very strong with plenty of tech and no need for copy paste.
France, Poland, the Netherlands and Belgium also means that faction could fight in early, mid and late war, in Western Europe, Eastern Europe (i.e Poland), the desert war, and the Pacific (i.e Dutch East Indies).
There is also the issue of actually going to BR V which would be fixed very easily by the devs getting their heads out of the sand. Certainly if we have more factions it should open up the possibility of hey not every tech tree needs to go to BR V.
@ParaDivision I like your thinking. Almost all the potential new nations/factions could fight on all/majority of existing maps. (China is the only one that is a bit difficult outside of Burma) But then we could also have new maps and finally have some element of realism.
At the moment the devs are missing half the bloody war and whinging they are running out of content!
All battles dont really start until 1942 due to USA. Even battles like New Guinea - Kokoda Track are ignored just because the Yanks werenât involved.
UK-Commonwealth as its own faction would open up so many possibilities for new content
for example Libya, Egypt, Syria-Lebanon, Malaya, Singapore, Greece, Yugoslavia, Crete, New Guinea, Dutch East Indies, early war France, Norway.
These would be even better with France-Poland-Netherlands-Belgium as a faction which adds early and late war Poland and BENELUX countries, along with the examples I listed above like 1940 France. Free Polish soldiers also fought in the Battle of Italy and North Africa (i.e Tobruk) for example.
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If that is true why during the pre merge time Tunisia and Pacific campaign have significantly less players compare to others despite having new factions( UK, Italy and Japan)?
Hmmm maybe because pre-merge new factions werenât the sole reason for choosing Tunisia/Pacific?
What that person said (sorry not sure how to write characters) is true, new factions will attract new players and keep this game going.
Itâs just an endless cycle currently of:
âWe want new factions-techâ
âWe havent got enough playersâ
-players leave or dont download the game because its the same old, same old.-
âWe want new factions-techâ
âWe havent got enough playersâ
-more players leave or dont download the game because weâve had the same maps and nations for years now.-
On it goes.
As I said because UK-Commonwealth isnt its own faction, along with the absence of France and Poland, literally half of the Second World War is straight up ignored.
Thatâs also heaps of potential tech, new maps, and I should mention, potential new premium content which makes DF money.
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Lol then what makes you think that new faction will attract enough new player if it canât populate Pacific and Tunisia campaign?
Lol you are just exaggerating the situation. How many players really complete all 4 factions in game? It is just a tiny fraction of the player base. Splitting the player base will have greater impact than this.
Tell me some FPS games that covers most of the WW2?
Itâs not like they canât just add it to existing faction like the French stuff and UK stuff to US. I think you should worry about devâs efficiency of making new stuff first before consider such potential.
Is that why Japan, the newest faction, has so many players?
Because we are still waiting for counter arguments from the other side I guess.
Wrong.
Poland lasted one month, so did the Western European campaign in 1940.
France fought for about a month, not including the short Saarland campaign. Beyond the strategic and political impact of the campaigns, both Poland and France are irrelevant for a game like Enlisted and Free French forces, which are technically already included with D-Day. Poland is even less relevant outside Poland, except for a couple of exile forces in Russia and England.
Britain is already represented in North Africa, Burma, D-Day and the Ardennes.
Add it to existing TT. That does not justify making a copy+paste weakened TT.
This can also be done with the status quo.
This can also be done with the status quo.
Noooo. It certainly does not. What this game needs is map filters already.
What is interesting in a new faction and new campaign is the new vehicles
, weapons, uniforms, types of unit. The lenght of the campaign is not important, weeks, months or years. For example for France 1940, it lasted only 6 weeks but with heavy fights and destruction making more than 150000 losses on each side. So, it would add new maps and new experience to the game. For France and uk, campaign of norway would be also possible.
It does because it matters regarding gear and maps.
not really because enlisted doesnt care about the time accuracy of weapons anymore. You can still have the MP3008 (made in 1945) in moscow 1941. Also maps isnt a issue because there are so many different options of battles and fronts. There would be maps in the invasion of the Netherlands and Belgium, Battles of Gembloux, Hannut, Sedan, Dunkirk, Maginot line, Siege of Calais and even the fairly forgotten Italian invasion of France in 1940 with the Battle of the Alps.
Did the French also develop super wood tanks and sekrit rocket launchers?
Because last time I checked the WT tech tree, almost all potential high-tier tanks of France are either post-war or land-leased stuff which defeats the entire purpose of an independent faction. The same applies to their planes.
The Poles are even worse and probably struggle to reach BR2, let alone Belgium, the Dutch or Luxembourg.
It is not a issue because you can already do it now without adding shitty TTs no one wants to grind.
um did you see my, quickly made, french TT that i sent a picture of here and do you think that its a âShitty TTâ. Like I just donât understand why ppl are so against adding new factions, yes some of them would have âCopy pasteâ equipment, but these problems can be easily solved. For example add a feature where if you unlock the M1 bazooka for the americans, it would be automatically unlocked for the French too. This way we can avoid copy paste grind and let people grind all the interesting stuff. Also rn im kinda bored to enlisted bec of the lack of content, which is why I just want ANY new nation in the game. I have grinded and enjoyed every single faction and their TTs to the max and I think getting only event stuff is kinda boring.
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Yes, it is. Even Japan does not has so many prototypes and at least does not have so much stuff from other factions.
Already starts with the M9, the Boys ATR and the M1 Bazooka. The Erma is already owned by Germany and Axis forces used it far more than France. French Lewis Gun and Thompson also sound very promising. Makes French TT reliant on foreign stuff to blow up tanks. And if you already steal from the Americans, at least give them the M2 Flamethrower as well.
The ARL-44 is a worse Jumbo and is no match for a Tiger II and such. The AMX 37 is a oversized M3 Lee that would suck even worse against BRV and probably even BRIV vehicles. Really, putting terrible oversized pre-war designs against deployed late-war tanks must be some ridiculous level of stupidity. The low tier are also all terrible and the Chars wont survive shit against a Puma or J1, making them slow-ass coffins with terrible cannons against other tanks.
A lot of French Tier 3 to 4 tanks are horrible in basically all aspects and do not even exist in WT.
No, if you want a unique faction, make it unique and not rely on other factions.
And maybe give it stuff that isnât garbage but that is optional, I guess.
Add to current TT and no one needs to suffer.
Iâm yet to actually see a reason why this terrible baguette stuff cannot simply be added to the existing US tech tree, especially if the French already steal gold order, premium and TT weapons from them.
ok i understand your points with the balance now, so it would be better to leave france with Max BR 3 or 4 and rework their matchmaking so they wouldnât face BR5 enemies. Do you know any french AT infantry weapons that could replace the Bazookas and The Boys ATR? Because i havent been able to find any. This TT was made some time ago and now i realise that its pretty bad, I should have updated this more, but i just left this unupdated for a long time unlike those other TTs, that i have worked on
I would like to see the french have their own tree because i donât like that other factions are mixed with other factions, also historically would make no sense. We would see french attacking the normandy or in the pacific, and most likely we wouldnât see the 1940 invasion of France or the invasion of french indochina as their own theaters if they get added as an subfaction to the US tree or something. But probably this would just be ignored which for me is annoying. I would like Enlisted to have even some historical sense and donât like to see them just add french and chinese squads to the US, because it takes away a lot of new potential new campaigns for the future. The most im willing to accept is the french and British in US maps but chinese in US maps fighting against the germans is too much for me.
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But that is not how the game works. Japan was already pushed to BR5 with a stupid addition.
And it is kinda understandable. Less BR usually means less content and less reasons to play for.
A historical France TT is not feasible due to the way France participated in the war.
France only âexistedâ in 1940 since the Free French forces are a split forces of the collapsed French state and use completely different stuff with most of their equipment being American and British⌠not to mention that there are also Vichy forces that fought against the Allies to some extension (and of course a 1940 France does not have the access to post-1940 French splitter faction equipment). In fact, you could argue that the original French equipment saw more usage by the Germans and Romanians than by the French.
Also, Chineses now fight in Normandy so I guess there goes that and we cannot change that.
Allied Side:
Finland (Sort of both sides) â Fought against the USSR in the Winter War (1939â1940), then aligned with Germany in the Continuation War (1941â1944), before switching to fight against Germany in the Lapland War (1944â1945).
Brazil â Sent the Brazilian Expeditionary Force (FEB) to fight in Italy alongside the Allies.
Greece â Resisted the Italian invasion in 1940 (Greco-Italian War) and later fought against the German occupation with resistance fighters.
Ethiopia â Was occupied by Italy but fought to regain independence with British help.
Mexico â Sent a squadron (EscuadrĂłn 201, or âAztec Eaglesâ) to fight in the Pacific under U.S. command.
India (British Raj) â Over 2.5 million Indian soldiers fought for the British Empire in North Africa, Europe, and the Pacific. The Indian National Army (INA) under Subhas Chandra Bose, however, fought alongside Japan against the British.
Mongolia â A Soviet ally, Mongolia supplied troops and resources, playing a role in the Battles of Khalkhin Gol (1939) against Japan and later in the Soviet invasion of Manchuria (1945).
China â While China was a major theater of war, itâs often overlooked. The Republic of China (under Chiang Kai-shek) fought Japan from 1937 onward, while the Communist Chinese guerrillas under Mao Zedong also resisted Japanese occupation.
Philippines â Under U.S. control, Filipino forces fought against Japan in 1941â1942, then waged a fierce guerrilla war until liberation in 1945.
Iran â Occupied by the Allies in 1941 to secure oil and supply routes to the USSR, though Iranian forces did not engage in combat.
Axis Side:
Hungary â Fought alongside Germany on the Eastern Front but later tried to switch sides.
Romania â Initially an Axis member, providing key oil supplies, but switched to the Allies in 1944.
Bulgaria â Joined the Axis but mostly stayed out of the fighting until switching to the Allies in 1944.
Thailand â Aligned with Japan but had a strong underground resistance movement.
Manchukuo (Japanese Puppet State in China) â Provided troops and resources for Japanâs war effort.
Indian National Army (INA) â Led by Subhas Chandra Bose, the INA fought with Japan against British rule in India.
Iraq (briefly) â Rashid Aliâs pro-Axis government fought a short war against the British in 1941 but was quickly defeated.
Vichy France (French Puppet Government) â Though France was mostly on the Allied side, the Vichy government collaborated with Germany, controlling parts of Africa and Asia.
Some of these nations played significant roles, even if they werenât as famous as the major powers.
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