The PPSh-41 (S) should not be added to the Soviet tech tree

INTRODUCTION

Hello, fellow forum members, and good day to all. Today, I would like to talk about a new feature in the upcoming update—the PPSh (S)—and why it does not belong in the Soviet tech tree.

Why the PPSh 41 (S) does not belong in the tech tree


Now I will explain why I believe that the PPSh-41 (S) should not be in the USSR tech tree. Let’s go!

That’s not fair.

Это не честно

And I still try to be on the side of justice. Why can the USSR have weapons with silencers in the tech tree, while other nations only have them in events or as premium items? That’s unfair. I say this as a Soviet Main. I am against this.

PPSh-41(S) - a fake weapon?

I honestly tried to find something about the PPSh-41 with a silencer. The most reliable source of information about it is probably the journal “Kalashnikov.”

The only image of the PPSh-41 with a silencer, and its authenticity is very questionable.

What does Kalashnikov magazine tell us about the PPSh with a silencer? It says the following:

"In the late 1980s, during work on the creation of a promising assault rifle as part of the Abakan R&D project, I.Y. Stechkin presented his TKB-0146. In a private conversation, I asked him to tell me about his work twenty years ago — the Buket R&D project to create 9 mm submachine guns for special purposes equipped with silencer attachments. During this conversation, Igor Yakovlevich casually mentioned the silent PPSh created in the early years of the Great Patriotic War. Repeated attempts to find at least some traces of the special-purpose PPSh in the archives were unsuccessful. However, a silent PPD unexpectedly “surfaced,” and it even had a “history.” As for the special-purpose PPSh, either we really need to “dig deeper,” or the human memory’s tendency to forget and confuse things over time has come into play.

In general, if the PPSh with a silencer ever existed, history has not preserved it. At the same time, there is a good chance that it never existed at all and is simply a figment of the imagination.

Weapons with silencers have no place in the tech tree

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The PPSh-41 (S) has no place in the tech tree.

In our game, weapons with silencers were ALWAYS available in the BP/Premium/Event segment. They were never available in the upgrade system. And it’s clear why: even though silencers were used by all sides of the conflict in World War II, they were never widely used. Weapons with silencers in WWII are rare, the preserve of special and elite sabotage units, “special forces,” and commandos. And as far as I know, they certainly weren’t issued to every assault trooper or soldier.
Yes, I know that sometimes prototypes or non-mass-produced weapons are added to the tech tree in our game. AS-44, T20, M1944 Hyde, the entire Japanese 5BR. But this is done for balance, if a country does not have mass-produced equivalents. For example, historically, the USSR didn’t have an analogue of the STG-44? They were given the AS-44. But do other countries have weapons with silencers in their tech trees? So why give it to the USSR?

PPSh-41 (S) - a new round in the arms race

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It will never end… So maybe it’s not worth starting another round.

The next point follows smoothly from the previous one.
If the PPSh with a silencer is introduced into the Soviet tech tree, it will set a precedent. All other nations will demand the same. Why? Why add the PPSh-41 (S) and start a new arms race when the old ones aren’t even over yet? It doesn’t make sense.

No one asked for this.

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Adding the PPSh-41 (S) to the tech tree is a facepalm. Who asked for this?

Yes, no one asked for the PPSh with a silencer to be added to the USSR tech tree. Perhaps it was proposed as an event/premium/BP weapon, but for leveling up? Who asked for it in the first place? No one, or at least almost no one. So why is the PPSh-41 (S) needed in the tech tree at all?

It’s a slap in the face.

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The faces of players who purchased the full set of Bramit PPD after introducing the PPSh-41 (S) into the tech tree.

Yes, it’s a slap in the face to players. Specifically, those players who bought the full set of PPD-BRAMIT for Gold Orders back when they hadn’t been removed yet. I am one of those people. Now imagine my face when the developers announced the appearance of its analogue in the Soviet tech tree, and not just an analogue, but one that is better than the PPD Bramit in every way. Do you really expect anyone to donate to you after that?
Here I need to explain what I think about transferring some weapons from BP to the tech tree. I believe that an individual approach is needed for each nation and each weapon. Let’s say, I wouldn’t mind if the Type Hei rifle (Late) was moved from the BP weapons to the Japanese tech tree. But the PPSh with a silencer is not the case. It has no place in the tech tree.

What should we do with the PPSh-41 (S)?

“UPDATE”: What should we do with the PPSh-41 (S) if it has no place in the upgrade tree, you ask. I say remove the PPSh-41 (S) from the tech tree and make it an event squad of Soviet commandos. That would be the best solution.

Conclusion

The PPSh-41 (S) has no place in the Soviet tech tree. We have to say no to it.
Это нам не нужно

The PPSh-41 (S) has no place in the Soviet tech tree. I say this as a Soviet Main, the PPSh-41 with a silencer is not needed. At least, in the tech tree.

Say no to unnecessary prototypes in the tech tree!
Say no to a new arms race!

@Ungorisz, @MajorMcDonalds, and developers, listen to the people and move the PPSh-41 (S) from the USSR tech tree to event or premium weapons. You have already listened to the opinion of the people and moved the M2 Carbine sawed-off from rifles to submachine guns. So listen to the players this time too.

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This is way better organized than mine post on the topic

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Come on
There’s no way back
Don’t expose yourself with false hope :joy::joy::joy:

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Thank you, I tried to make a good post.

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You underestimate the true power of whining.
But seriously, developers have already transferred the M2 carbine from rifles to submachine guns. We’ve done it before, so we can do it again. We’ll be able to do it, or at least I want to believe so.

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It’s a pitiful sight

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No, I think it’s a good sight. It’s shows how displeased the community is with the PPSH-41(Shit) being add to the TT.

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I would have to disagree. You know, my friend, I used to laugh at @Veekay45 for his excessive devotion to historical accuracy at the expense of gameplay. Of course, I still disagree with him on many things. But at some point, I… understood him, and I even felt a little sorry for him. He’s an Enlisted veteran, right? And he came to a completely different game, very different from what it is now. Essentially, from his point of view, he lost his favorite game, which was ruined and massacred, in his opinion. I experienced something similar when the developers removed gold orders. @Veekay45 is understandable. The game is going in the wrong direction, the balance is being disrupted, the balance of historical accuracy and balance. The PPSh-41 (S) is the path to Battlefield, let’s also allow all weapons to have silencers and attach collimator sights to everything. Why not, “it’s fun.” (NO, it’s NOT fun)
But I will do everything in my power to prevent Enlisted from going down the wrong path.

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I want a cool unique commandos squad for Soviets.

Feels like with that smg in TT, devs will say it’s unnecessary…

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I want to believe that the Devs will change their mind but once a weapon is announced it usually is set in stone and with such short notice until the update the soviets will be empty handed when the update drops.
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Idk but when the Devs don’t listen it makes it seem as if they’re trying to piss us off.

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They don’t try. They just don’t care about us.

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As someone who absolutely adores suppressed firearms to bits I truly can’t agree with the “PPshhhhh” being added to the tech tree. It’s just far and beyond excessive and overkill. It would be a perfect item for a unique event Squad but TT? No.

If it was something like a bolt action or semi auto rifles and everyone got something similar, maybe. Even then silenced weapons I feel should be something that’s given out sparingly. They deserve to be unique.

I really hope the Devs might postpone the implementation of this weapon and put something else in its stead into the TT down the line. The few that would be disappointed by its removal from the TT would be very much more than worth the praise from the overwhelming majority of the community.

Please Dark Flow, do heed our concerns with sincerity. We don’t want to form a new and harmful precedent that’ll only cause more harm than good, for players, for the forums that’ll be filled with complaints and for the burden it’ll put on yourselves the developers and overall harming the game.

I hope the right and appropriate choice will be made concerning this gun. It doesn’t have to go away forever or completely. Just for now and not in the TT.

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Devs Trying not to piss off the Enlisted community with every announcement.
Level: Impossible

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today Veekay shows me a real rat gameplay :japanese_goblin:

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So what did this rat gameplay look like, my friend?

Maybe you crybabies can ask for a silenced Kiraly 39M in Axis techtree and stop whinging about something this unimportant. Nobody is going to use this suppressed PPSh-41. The Regular PPSh-41 is already pointless in BR5 and nobody uses it. Anyone with a crumb of sense is using Assault Rifles in BR5.

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As I already wrote, we forwarded this concern

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It’s not about “belens”.

Silenced PPSH 41 simply didn’t exist.

How can you call people who want things that at least existed ‘crybabies’?

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Can these people stop spamming the exactly same topic over and over again?

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Firstly, this is not spam. These are simply my thoughts and opinions about the PPSh-41 (S). Second, even if we assume that this is spam, which it is not, it would be spam for the greater good, to save the game from going down the wrong path. The more feedback there is, the more developers see what people don’t like, and therefore, the greater the chance that they will reverse an unpopular decision.

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