False.
The famous russian caliber is 0.7
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- Legit
- More (jet) planes? Really?
- Useless. Most likely gonna be abused against infantry and light tanks.
- More planes? Really?
- Useless APC? Really?
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For level 38, I would go the Do 335 with only the 2 250 kg bombs as a fighter to match the a P-61 as an attacker, balance out the number of attackers and fighters on both sides to 3 attackers and 4 fighters. Iâd then just cut the other two fighters, as the devs have stated that their target is 40 levels, and from there everything looks good. Finally, I donât think the M16 would be too imbalanced against the Wirbelwind, as the quadmount .50 cal would be effectively just a side grade to the quad 20mm with the .50 cals making up for the lack of HE with volume of fire. Although if you really thought it was imbalanced, you could use the Sd.Kfz 251/21 instead for the Germans.
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- Me 262 wasnt deployed by the Reich in Normandy. And the R4M was rare as fuck (let alone that it wasnt used during Normandy).
- The Wirbelwind wasnt even built in June
" During the early summer of 1944, SS-HauptsturmfĂźhrer Karl Wilhelm Krause with the 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend came up with the concept of the Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind .[1] He presented the concept to SS-ObersturmbannfĂźhrer Max WĂźnsche, commanding officer of the 12th SS Panzer Regiment and it was approved by Adolf Hitler.".
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Same goes for the Do. The plane faced like 40 units and in June, the Reich just finished couple of protos, which were NOT in France.
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P-61 was a night and bad-weather fighter.
Mkb is more legit than this crap here.
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Yeah like the 20mm cannons we already have are useless against the planes in Normandy. The flak is just too slow and has low magazine size. 4 fast firing 50. cals are way better against fast planes. There is a reason why the br of the M16 in rb is higher than the br of the M15 despite having worse calibre.
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Btw. nothing can beat the true Wunderwaffe of M1919.
Fair, Why not.
we are talking about 40 levels, it will have very few players, so it may be rare things. in general different modifications do fight, albeit little.
Itâs just a good option for the plane
I donât think we have a ânight fighterâ class, so based on the bomb load we can make it an attacker.
2 1000lb bombs seem worse than 4 500 bombs, so Iâm not sure the B26 would be good.
Thatâs your opinion though, it has its place, Iâm still more of a P61 supporter
We donât need 4,000 kg)) Spare the poor fields of Normandy
Tired of the monotonous Normandy planes. getting a fw190 at 28 (or whatever level) is a spit in the face, the same goes for the me410.
They are cheesy copypastes and passable levels
We still donât have any effective means of destroying planes from the ground. Mobile anti-air units with a large number of guns could do this
A unique squad that has bullet protection and will allow you to move well to the flanks. You can take it in the infantry squad slot, so thereâs nothing to worry about
They promised to fix cannon damage
They were definitely used against Allied B-17s. And already in the fall. I donât think thatâs a âterribleâ assumption, considering that 1-2% of players will have Me262s
Do were rare but as far as I know fought in the west. Again, a level of about 40 means that it is rare on the battlefield.
If it carries 1000kg bombs, then I believe that within the game we can consider it an attacker, we do not have a ânight fighterâ class, and the normal fighter class for balance does not have bombs larger than 500kg (even this is an exception and a mistake in my opinion)
Yeah and a Panzer IV with the same gun the flak uses will be more effective or what? I dont remember that the 20mms there are significantly better. Same goes for the Crusader. M16 is better but I think people dont want cause they cant al-buttfuck Stuarts with HMGs.
Oh boy. Cant wait to climb those hills on D-Day with the M3. Or the ass-open flanks of Airfiled or Ver-Sur, which are open enough for vehicles.
They promised a lot though.
Wooooow.
That automically means they saw action during D-Day and in Normandy lol.
Please be more specific.
And we still have plenty of planes which would fit in here and not a night fighter.
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Still, I see no reason to introduce prototypes such as this, unless thereâs literally no good alternative. Here, i believe both the 217 and Fw190F would fit in better.
Then it shouldnât be in the game. I just believe it disgraces the plane. To take a night fighter and turn it into a regular ground attacker which will then be inevitably used as a guided missile.
The B26 is an iconic palne which saw wide use and a lot of success during Normandy. I believe it should have a place here. Plus 2x2000lpd certainly isnât bad.
We do 
M16 certainly wouldnât be better than Crusader AA. The crew would be woulnrable and 20mms are simply better if you have an aiming reticle.
And SPAA could be effective, though Iâd prefer for it to be availible form lower levels.
The way I imagine it would work is that it spawns to shoot infantry, and then switches focus to planes if any appear. At least thatâs how Iâd use it.
Still, 262 isnât a fantasy plane and it would be a bit of spice for the Normandy endgame. I donât see a reaosn not to add it.
If weâre bringing warthunder int othis then:
20mms are the most effective mid tier AA guns. Especially german ones.
M16MGMC is higher than M15CGMC because the M15 has a crap platform. It canât shoot forward and is slow af.
First of all they donât have any good bomb sets at level ju188. They are either worse or so much bigger that they donât make sense in Enlisted. even Ju has a huge number of bombs, but we only see 6.
do 217 is a flying cow. there is no point in getting it at level 39 if you have ju at level 18.
Fw190 f is just as crap as an a8, even worse. Literally an uncontrollable log that flips with any mouse movement. No one will change the bf110 for it.
Why such pointless stuff? no one is going to want to play 40 levels for shit.
The Me 410 A-1/U2 is marked in war thunder as a fighter and interceptor. The word âattack aircraftâ is not there, so the bomb load is important in enlisted. In general it is not particularly clear why the a20 with four 500 lb bombs is an attacker and the p61 is not. It seems to me this is already a masturbation on atom-sized minutiae.
The P-47D-22-RE is also classified as a fighter in WT, but here it is an attacker.
I think these facts already let the argument close in my favor.
I donât mind if people want 2 bombs of 1000 instead of 4 of 500, with worse maneuverability. But then the allies will complain that they have useless shit.
Besides thereâs still no B26 in WT, i.e. no model to import into Enlisted.
We could give them better ones than the 188 has rn. In exachange for a worse plane.
Skill issue. Both 190s are good fighters. And F-8 has Both better bombs and better flight model than 335.
Historical usage.
Because itâd be too strong for a fighter.
Possibly in game balance reasons.
Itâd be far from useless. Heavy bombs and 5 offensive M2 brownings.
No, 1500kg is the limit I allow. You donât need 2,000 kg. There is something else in the game besides planes, and 8 or more bombs will allow you to kill the whole map at a time.
We have no right to increase the volume of bombs, so we need to improve the planes otherwise, do 335 is such an option. Less bombs, but good directional armament
Iâm waiting for a cutscene of your brilliant aerial battles on the fw190, although a screenshot of your squad level with the f190 A8 is enough for me to understand how many planes you shot down. Waiting.
The forum is filled with two or three dozen threads about the cheesy fw190 flight model and lame gun damage. There is no skil issue here, I fly other planes just fine
See, you can change the type of plane? P61 is also too strong for a fighter, so attacker
I said the same thing about the P61
Pardon me, for some reason I didnât see it, it appeared quite recently.
So: 5 Brownings vs. 8 on a20. Why would I want to change it?
On top of that he has no bomb kit within Enlisted, have you even watched this?
He carries a minimum of 3000lbs of bombs.
I thought about the suggestions before I wrote. Itâs worth doing the same.
You mean weak bombs and a crap plane?
The Do-335 is decently fast in a dive, thatâs it.
For guns, it has 2x15mm and one slow firing 30mm. Not perticularly good with Enlistedâs plane hitboxes.
And it handles like a brick.
Donât have it here, but have it fully spaded in warthunder.
The P61 starts to make sense if night battles are implemented. Until then, it¨s completely out of palce.
That has historical reasons. Even you can search it up.
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do-335 B-2 - Do 335 B-2 - War Thunder Wiki These are three 30mm cannons and two 20mm cannons.
The A-0 and A-1 versions with 1 cannon really suck and make no sense, they also donât have bombs in my opinion.
Then you have no idea what youâre talking about. in WT itâs a completely different plane. In Enlisted itâs crap. I got level 11 squad in a year because itâs literally impossible to fly and the damage of 2 machine guns and 4 cannons is negligible, even though it should tear a plane to shreds in seconds.
We already have some shifts in the time of day, I think. Add evening battles (nothing will be visible at night), quite possible,
I mean the B26 has bombs for WT, but itâs at least 3000 pounds. It cannot be transferred to Enlisted for reasons of common sense.
The A1 and A0 are the only versions which are even loosely historically feasible. The B-2 had 2 prototypes made, with the first test flight taking place roughly 2 months after the battle of Normandy.
(source: Dornier Do 335 B-2 : Dornier)
Whic only means that the 335âs (the A-1, as A-0 has no boms and B-2 is not feasible) 2x15mm and 1x30mm will do even worse. And the 335 handles 2x as bad as the 190s.
Not here though. Imo when dawn/dusk battles come out, the P61 could be a good event plane to go along with the update.
It can be. Just give it the 2x2000lbs. (or maybe the 14x300s for a true carbet bombing experience).
I donât see a problem with the stuff that was used around the beginning of the fall. We already have jambo and m24 and stuff, so some assumptions are fine. The game is not perfectly historically accurate.
Arguing that âa slightly different modification couldnât be here at allâ is silly. No, it could certainly be a golden order technique (lol), but I see no reason why the mass player would know itâs unhistorical.
What youâre saying is already snobbery, it seems to me you canât make a game perfectly, leaving it interesting.
A unique plane in the form of do335 b2 - interesting, another cow in the sky with a bunch of bombs - not interesting, I already have ju.
Maybe players deserve a different gaming experience and choice rather than a âsmaller cow or a bigger cowâ
Similar answer about snobbery. If you go into history meticulously, every U.S. soldier should have an m1 garand, and the Germans should have almost no gewehr.
Giving a cheesy plane instead of an interesting one is silly just because âitâs not really a ground attack aircraftâ, even though by all parameters it is one. What difference does it make what to call a duck if it is still a duck.
No, we have 10 players on each side that want to play, not 9 targets and 1 scumbag who drops 5,000kg bombs on them and laughs. The loading of planes should not be higher than 1500kg in the realities of the game.
Iâve been playing normandy for a year and have 1,600 matches.
I have an idea how strong the bombardment is, for I played before the nerve of the bombs a lot.
Doing 40-50 kills per pass is only fun for 1 player on the map, so the game does not need huge bombers
Note that B26 is a bomber, not an attacker.