The concept of body armor has been acknowledged at this point

sadly you are probably correct. only other way to balance this is to give other nations similar cosmetics with damage reduction.

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Well, as I have said. There’s no need to balance it. At least for now. Since the game has way bigger balance issues atm.

So it’s basically just very insignificant drama made purely by Parrots.

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Let’s look at this question from different points of view? two graphs side by side. Do you see the difference?
Stg44 AS44 and Fedorov Automat are the same.
PPS 42 is worse than MP40. AVT 40 is better. But Fg 42 has other advantages.
Where is this dramatic injustice?

avt40 needs 1 bullet to kill up to 60-70m, fg42 II needs 2 bullets ->significant
as44 needs 2 bullets to kill up to 100-110m, stg44 has range of only 60-70m for 2 bullets → useless in 95% of the situations
mp40 needs 3 bullets for 60-70m, pps42 (and 43) have 40-50m range for 3 bullets → would be clear win for mp40 until you remember that smg are best used in sub 40m fights and pps 42 and 43 have much higher rof than mp40 (550vs690vs800). only advantage that mp40 gets in 10-20m fights is clearly negated by armor (2bullets with only vitality vs 3 bullets with vitality+body armor) while fighting smg with 50% more rof (pps 43)

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Just make it purely cosmetic.

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Do you often shoot further than 60 meters? I don’t think so.
fg42 II has a high rate of fire. More bullets. Less recoil.
The PPS42 has less damage. But the rate of fire is higher. It’s all fair.

wtf are you talking about. AVT needs 1 bullet to kill from 0-60 meters, FG42 II needs 2 bullets to kill from 0-60m. AVT only gets equal to fg42 past 60-70m when they both need 2 bullets to kill someone.

exactly how fg42 II has less recoil when AVT has half vertical recoil per bullet and smaller rof?


excellent point. if there only wasnt armor that totally negates that damage advantage.

btw mp 40 damage 7.0, pps 42 damage 6.8 on 10m. when you apply armor mp 40 only gets 6.4 damage so it is basically even less than pps42 (and 43), while those guns having 20% (and 50%) more rof

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Exactly just make them cosmetic only

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Unfortunately for Parrots, the more topics he creates, the more people will know that this type of uniform is something more than just a cosmetic.

Because at this point it is obvious that Developers will never change it :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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I’ll bite. The suggestion to give them to everyone and/or nuking the DR is great.

BR5 is a scifi non HA realm with almost everything being experimental or being common while irl were really limited like FG42 so everything is allowed.

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I remember when here in this Forum we have been talking about how the vitality perk was OP and needed to be removed (this was back in the days when Vitality stopped bolt actions to one hit kill)

In the meantime the game added even more Vitality for Flamers and Paratroopers AND the 10% damage reduction from armor.

This stuff, if added up, makes a big difference on many weapons - especially Semi auto rifles.

The fact alone that through unlocks you can effectively have 50% bonus HP, while weapon upgrades only give you 10- 20% more damage shows what the problem is.

Gameplay for veterans get more forgiving, while new players die faster. This is a unnecessary problem.

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This discussion is absurd, absurd to see people defending 10% damage reduction in a cosmetic only for one faction
Like wtf?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtYCMW3sZ3g

pps 42 damage 6.7

“It’s absurd because I said so.”

What a great addition to this discussion.

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Don’t know what to say, maybe the problem of this game is not only DF

how good or bad you control gun recoil has nothing to do with actual recoil. fg 42 II has double vertical recoil per bullet than AVT and that is the fact. AVT feels less controllable than fg42 II cause of their horizontal recoil direction. fg42 II almost always leans towards right when shooting, while AVT can end up left or right.

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Well if that’s true then that means everyone else should be allowed to have the option to have body armour or not

It would be nice if it was only limited to premium soldiers but with the cosmetic orders you have right now you can outfit entire nine man squad with it and just spam objectives with soldiers with maxed out vitality and all the survival perks you can slap on them and waste bullets of the enemy team because they have to put down all of those monsters.