To be a group of friends that play games together? There’s clans in literally every game with PvP, from CoD to Arma to Rust to Minecraft. A lot of those don’t have SBMM, rank systems, or e-sport support. And more importantly, to farm salt from people like you when they see a clan tag.
Playing a game with friends is an exploit? That’s news to me. Bro has zero friends or something.
supposedly on console WOT only have 100 players queuing per region lol but on PC they have a bigger community
Which all, have some sort of competive aspect and support for it.
Rust not exactly but highly team oriented game regardless.
So not exactly comparable to enlisted in any manner.
Bit out of my age group so idk
True, but whats common on each game is that they are highly team oriented and the playerbase as well.
Again, not at all comparable to enlisted that is 99.99% just solo players doing fk all what ever.
Well if your only “clan” experience is from this game, I can understand that its bit difficult to understand that communicating & together working group does have a massive advantage over solo players that arguably doesnt even know you are there “competing”.
Well yes and no, I do play this game solo 99.99% of time but I do indeed have friends and we do play games such as CS where our enemy is also competiting.
Most of my friends have just that much self-respect that they aint bothering to “clan” or “compete” in a game where your enemy is entirely clueless you are playing “competively”
Arma has competitive support? Brb gonna go check Reforger for the ranked queue. Oh wait. It doesn’t. Squad doesn’t. Rust is literally an open sandbox and isn’t at all “team based” unless you have the people to make it. The majority of players are solo grubs. All of the competitive parts of these games are community sponsored.
Also let’s remember your statement: “What else reason is there to be in a clan in a game that doesnt have SBMM, proper rank system and the most 0 e-sport support ?”
So this statement has no value. The criteria was do clans exist in games with no SBMM, rank system, or e-sport support. And the answer is yes they do, regardless of the game. (Also Rust and even games like Squad and Arma is 99% solo players doing fk all whatever on open servers lmao). They exist in virtually every PvP game. Stop trying to move goalposts.
I’ve been in clans in other games. This is all not relevant to the point - that playing with friends isn’t an exploit. You don’t have to be in a clan to stack. I gotta say, it’s mind boggling to see someone say that having friends is an exploit. I also don’t know what you’re trying to say by “competing”. Do you not play to win? Does the enemy not know the other side is playing to win?
TIL playing to win the game with objective win/loss end state is “competing” or “competitive”. Bro must like taking Ls or something. Couldn’t be me.
first google search.
Yea, good luck trying alone. Hence extremely team based.
Unless ofc u do some farmville server.
But theres competive aspect to the game in meaningful way.
Kinda does, since each one of those games you presented does indeed have competition or extremely team oriented games.
Minecraft being exception I dont know about due to not exactly my age game.
Sure, but what you fail to see here
there are actually competive players there.
Not exactly in enlisted.
Which indeed compete against others.
Not exactly anymore sure what you are coping here ? Are you trying to pretend that you do not have a massive advantage over solo players when playing as a stack ?
Never was a point was it ?
Well, I understand if enlisted is your game of selection for competive gaming that you have mild issues to figure stack > Solos.
I do actually quite often play the objective aka play for win, but yes exploiting the stacks vs 10 solos is indeed a good reason to quit the game.
Ah the coping, theres bit of differency in balance to play as solos vs solos than stack vs solos.
Quite a few of us play primarily solo. Even with a tag in our name. The tag is there entirely to get a rise out of players who see red at the sight of a clan tag.
It cracks me up that losing to WhatsitTooya is a-okay but losing to EVA_WhatsitTooya is rage inducing.
And you need a clan to play as solo exactly for what ?
Isn’t actually competitive support. It’s just a link to units. Zero competitive mm, zero SBMM, zero ranking system. Most events are community made and generally done on private servers if you actually read your search. Which is what the clans in Enlisted do as well. So again, you’re moving goalposts.
Solo wipes are very much a thing. On every server I’ve played on, it’s usually a couple groups and the majority is solos in a 1x2
The standard game? Nah. Nothing more than “win”. The community organized events (of which we have done in enlisted as well) are more competitive but again, 100% organized by the community.
And people do that in Enlisted. @Sjf0212 has hosted several cash prize tournaments. Clans are still having clan vs clan custom games. Your link is again just to Arma groups, which can be anything from PvE groups to Milsim. Enlisted also has community made groups to be “competitive” (ie fight each other in customs), casual, modding, etc. So you actually have zero idea what you’re talking about.
Doesn’t make it an exploit. An exploit would be using a mechanic or system in a way not intended by developers to gain an advantage. Such as Greyzone camping or deserting until you get a lobby you can handle. Playing with friends is literally an intended feature in the game.
I have literally zero idea what this is trying to say. Playing public matches isn’t “competitive”, it’s literally just playing the game. No one is queueing into normal games and thinking it’s a competitive match. Thats what we have the Clan v Clan custom games for. Everything else is just playing the game to play the game.
Not even coping, it’s literally what you said.
As I said already. This is why the first of us even put the tag in our name. Now it’s just kinda a thing. We’re friends who hang out in VC, sometimes in squads, sometimes while all playing solo, sometimes all playing different games.
Id say if theres a huge group of people playing competively against each other it kinda is competive.
Not exactly again comparable to issue on hand stacks vs solos in enlisted.
You can do what ever you want in custom games, assuming theres another clan to compete with.
Which often on rust is the problem of 1 or 2 teams being the largest wiping rest out.
Hence the solos from other servers do scout out servers with preferable atmosphere.
Build → get rekt → move on to other server.
Which again for all I care are entirely fine, qualifies for competive scene.
Which also is fine, I dont care what clans vs clans does in customs.
But then again, to be entirely fair here, your “clan” scene is bit of nonexistent compared to games you mentioned.
Which again is entirely fine, do what ever you want in customs.
And again, your nonexistent scene aint exactly comparable to games above mentioned.
If it grants unfair advantage over other team, yeah it is exploit.
Leaving wasnt exploit either untill it was made to be one.
I cant exactly explain in any simpler manner how stack vs solos is unfair setup.
That stacks vs solos grants unfair advantage ? Sure I did and apparently you have hard time figuring it out
If you wish to compete in a bot shooting game, go for it.
No one cares what you do in customs, nor care about your clan status personally I find it slightly amusing that people even plays in a clan in game like this but what ever rocks your boat.
As long as your clan aint exploiting the broken stacks feature in regular game, no one cares what you do.
I ship it
Teaming up to play games certainly has advantages, as it is almost impossible to lose the game, but this is not a serious problem. The matching mode does not have a ranking system and does not require a strong demand for losing or winning.
However, a significant gap in abilities can lead to gray area camping behavior. If deserter punishment is effective, players with insufficient abilities will undoubtedly choose camping. Such games are bound to be long and boring, and some measures are needed to end the competition as soon as possible, which is beneficial for both parties. This is the purpose of this topic, rather than endlessly debating deserter or ability gap issues.
If other issues can lead to endless debates, then camping in gray areas should never be encouraged. Even if it cannot be stopped, it should alleviate the problems it brings. I believe this is beyond doubt.
Whether the enemy is hiding in the gray area and not coming out, or the teammates are filled with campers, this is not a happy thing. I just want to win, but I absolutely don’t want to help a parasite who doesn’t contribute at all. 