The BIG Berlin problem

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Something needs to be done to address the huge balance problem that exists in Berlin.

… Before I get into it, anyone who says “oh but war is asymetrical”, I don’t care for your opinion, UNLESS you can validly justify why it is SO bad.

So, having played a decent number of battles on both sides, Berlin seems to have THE WORST balance issues.
Germany gets royally screwed over by the constant lack of decent firearms, yes, they have decent range, but given that berlin is almost entirely CQC, this bonus is pretty lost, resulting in the soviet SMGs raining supreme. Most encounters between assaulters will be won by the soviets.
The reasoning for this? Well, the German SMGs are all pretty poor, the MP3008, MP40, MP35 and Barretta all have such poor fire rates in comparison.

But, the Germans have better LMGs, I hear you say, well, they don’t appear to either, the DP27/29 and DT all have much better accuracy being used as a battle rifle, while the MG34 and 42 are tricky at best to use in anything other than prone.

Bolt actions aren’t really much different from one another, other than the absurd reload animation on the VG2 rifle.

There needs to be some form of change or balance applied to counter the complete imbalance between the two nations.
Certainly late game when the PPSh-41 starts to appear, as I can easily cut down whole squads with this without much effort, where a german smg wouldn’t manage.

Winning as Germany either relies on massive amounts of teamwork or just pure luck that the the enemy collapses. Soviet teams can just rely on the SMG spam to take or lock down capture points and without a well coordinated strike, there’s little that can be done.

While the soviets do have their weaknesses too, they are just no where near as obvious as the Germans.

Berlin is by far the worst campaign now. And that’s saying something over Normandy, which i also cannot stand.

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I think Germans will get STG in Berlin soon enough, also the G43 Kurz has 3 round burst and is pretty good! I have played multiple rounds as Germany, it depends on the time of day, sometimes it’s Germany sometimes soviets, I don’t think the disparity is that bad, Panther G can kill T34, Ppsh is good, but think Germans as I said are getting new weapons when next campaign update comes along.

I think all the campaign are pretty well balanced, I think there are times when allied bombers wipe out 20+ per run, but if there is a good pilot, that is soon ended, I love the fighters and when I see an enemy bomber first thing I do is try and take it out, granted AA is a little hit n miss depending on direction of planes…

Just my thoughts as been playing since CBT Normandy… so may be worth some truth.

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And it’s confirmed by @Keofox that they would nerf MG, resulting in that germans finally get no CQC weapon. Let alone germans in Moscow would be literally unplayable without MG34.
https://forum.enlisted.net/t/normandy-is-in-great-danger-and-it-needs-your-help/21181/147

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this is what the Big berlin problem; it’s teamates that can’t think and breathe at the same time as they literally all went to B but stopped just infront of it
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Finally red tears have overflowed the volga river and show how it’s works in soviet russia

True opposition is not welcome. Still

Volodia my red friend you won’t have this from my pocket

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I don’t pay for being sabotaged. (not) Sorry

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honestly the only lmgs that should be capable of walking fire should be the automatic rifles like chauchat and BAR

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Fg42: hello im here

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If it’s only walking fire i’m agree with that.
Except if point blank shots are affected. where you don’t need accuracy if not full spray shots.

Gaijin and ““fixing”” no russian things is rarely a succes

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I don’t care whether they nerf Mg or not just add Suomi Kp31 to berlin.

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agreed though i hope within 10 meters in CQC the accuarcy shouldn’t be effected by movement, 11+ meters out then yeah that should be effected to varying degrees

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Agree with this.
And mainly it’s a stupid way to use a MG past this range while standing.

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Suomi kp31 would be a good counter to PPsh without any walking fire problem

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Still not test it or even see it yet ingame but yes indeed .
That gun seems a solid answer

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Still not test it or even see it yet ingame but yes indeed .
That gun seems to be a solid answer to ppd and ppsh

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It’s already in the folder. So we can hope

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:crossed_fingers: yep

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Yesterday as Soviets I lost 10/12 games.

SMG’s are useless on the open cap points, the Station conquest map is seriously unbalanced and it was all Soviets getting the “wrong” side of it, and German LMG squads firing form the shoulder were running around gunning everyone.

So yes - balance is necessary :stuck_out_tongue:

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The worst offender is the DP27, that thing is so much more accurate, the Mg34 firing from standing is awful at anything other than small bursts.
The DP in both Berlin and Moscow is stupidly accurate.

SMGs are still decent in open caps, it’s more the sheer rate of fire that’s the issue, the MP40 and other German sub machine guns just can’t compare. Had to resort to using the MP40/1 squad just to try and remain competitive.

The situation really wasn’t helped by the 2nd Soviet premium SMG squad.

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the dinner plate 27 has better horizontal recoil while MG34 has much better vertical recoil so what’s happening there is someone is just pulling down hard on their mouse, it also helps to slower ROF

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You have got to be joking!! I can’t hit the side of a building at 50m with the DP27 standing!!

OK - slight exaggeration - but I can’t hit a standing man across a street - I always - ALWAYS - go prone doing anything other than room clearing from the hip.

The SMG’s at anything other than the shortest range get as many “white cross” hits as they do real damage, and they are outclassed at ranges longer than across a street.

You guys have got a serious victim complex!

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