The BF 110 G-2 BR move (What is the BR 3 standard?: Discussion)

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Last Major patch the BF110 G-2 was moved to BR 4. This is a discussion, not a suggestion.

How does everyone feel about that?

This is NOT a main vs main argument so dont even start…I fly all sides and all planes (only exception is BR 5 Japan, But I have flown them in Warthunder), And there are other planes/nations I think should be moved/buffed like the IL-10 and especially Japan (and many others). This is about the Standard of BR 3 and the reason BF110 G-2 was moved)

For me personally, I rotate through Flying everything anyway (more often than not off meta) so I just keep on keeping on.

However from a equality perspective, Different standards do annoy me (even If I just adapt) because its not being applied accross the board (thats my opinion).

I was open to accepting the move if its power level was being set as the standard for BR 4 (its got nice weapons), …but to straight after this change Put the XA-38 at BR 3 ( Which is clearly just a slightly better BR 4 A-20)!!!..this shows there was no standard setting at all?..unless it is just about the weapon type rockets? (not really there are many Sub BR 3 notorious rocket planes)…So is this change just at the whim of outcry (noisy wheel gets the grease)???.. Is it just because the XA-38 is an event item that it bypasses this “standard”??..well no

This Brings me to the Solothurn AT rifle… Just after we FINALLY got the last AT rifle moved to its rightful place at BR 1…this gets released at BR 2 (With even further drawback mechanics that nothing else has)…so Its not an event exception (still waiting for Solothurn to be shown some love by the way)

Im a little bit sick of having to tip toe around straight forward standard topics because one word about A faction that doesnt belong to a group of mains just makes them explode. I thought BR 4 was probably reasonable “IF” it was applied accross the board.

This is what I think of the BF 110 G-2

IMO It is the best “attacker” the AXIS have! (not counting Jabo, which is currently labelled as a fighter for some reason…its a strike aircraft)…but that is only because everything after it is forgetable or broken.

  • The FW 190 models are just terrible to fly thanks to the instructor ( still fly them just cos)
  • ME 410 B-1 is a forgetable plane that may aswell be a BR 3 BF110
  • Me 4110 A-1 is decently armed alternative at BR 4. A little easier to hit fast moving targets with 20mm, but worse than 30mms for CAS…Slightly better defence (if the remote turrets were working/playable)…Generally BF110-G2 is still preferable.
  • the Ju 188 has a Strong Payload but thats it, I personally would still take the BF 110

The WfR G.21 is the best rocket in the game?

  • Its certaintly the largest explosion and most filler in the game (currently) and the easiest to use rocket for rocket (HVAR, RP-3 takes over in volume). The caveat being you dont carry more than 4 on any plane… 6-12 of # insert rocket here can be used to just as much effect, and quite honestly I prefer carrying more. Im not Joking when I say find the IL-2 1941 (BR 2) far more dangerous overall
  • Rockets are more annoying for infantry than bombs. you can farm alot of infantry with rockets, and they are much harder to stop from behing used (intercept).

IMO, generally more is better

There are many effective hugely effective rocket aircraft, that although they dont have the same explosive size, they have greater numbers in which they can saturate the area.

List of Sub BR 3 effective Rocket Airfcraft

BR -1:

  • I-153 M-62 is an absolute GEM of a plane at BR 1 with 8x Rockets that are very effective against all targets and mosnter maneueverability
  • USSR Hurricane 6x rockets is no slouch either

BR - 2:

  • P-38 g needs no introduction, been on everyones lips for the longest time
  • IL 2 (1941) Absolute Monster of a CAS plane. 8x rockets, 4x50 Kg bombs and a capable fighter. This is truly one of my favourites.

BR- 3:

  • IL 2M type 3. 4 rockets, 4x 100kg bombs…Great payload and firepower…quite the boat due to all the extra weight, making it shine less than the 1941
  • FP-5 Only 4 HVARs and a shitty fuel tank but can still do work while also being an excellent fighter
  • FW 180 A-8 2x effetive rockets. Great fire power …thats about it

What do you guys think? What is the Standard at BR 3?

keep it objective. Its a discussion at this point. Suggestions come later

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I just don’t understand on what criteria plane’s br are based on anymore.

They said the G2 had too much firepower… 4 rockets that require direct hits to destroy tanks (also inaccurate), no bombs, and canon doesn’t pen vehicles much either.

But in br3 we still have TWO wonderful IL2, with powerful canons or a bunch of rockets. and many bombs.

Or now the new event Grizzly… absolute beast. ppl say it’s difficult to hit stuff with the canon because it fires slowly… but what if you learn to? and even if you don’t there’s all those bombs. (plus the fact it’s a flying fortress with many really great turrets)

So… Why?

Imo, bf110 G2 is br3 material. br4 is just unjustified.

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It’s sad but I believe it’s the real reason. I say this since years, mains just ruin everything.

Here’s the funniest example of THAT particular group’s “honesty”

  • Moscow campaign. beretta 20 rounds (now a br1 smg) vs ppsh41 drum 71 rounds at the same unlock level.
    “It’s fair, ppsh is weak because drum mags take one second more to reload and the high rof wastes ammo!”

  • Recent EQUALIZATION of SF rifles FGs, putting them not much better but on par with the rest:
    “uuuuuuh Fg42 has such high rof, and a whopping 5 rounds more! we can’t compete! it’s impossible to play anymore, uuuuh”

…

See the irony here?

So yes, I believe it thanks to those… individuals… if br is all over the place.

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If things were BR ±0 It would be far easier to place things and keep a standard…really hard to make suggestions for where stuff belongs with forever moving/inconsistant goal posts :weary:

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I can’t say anything in terms of planes because I don’t do any flying (I respect anyone who can effectively pilot in this game because it’s so damn hard).

However, from what I know on infantry weapons, the standard is usually:

  1. Buff Soviets so that they are on top.
  2. Nerf Germany to compensate for being remotely competitive.
  3. USA is next in line for buffs.
  4. Germany gets extra nerf for competing with USA.
  5. Japan…that faction exists?
  6. Nerf Germany again just cause that’s called “balancing”.
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It is now clearly the best German BR4 attacker aircraft.

And I don’t think the plane has suffered in any way with this BR change. So I have nothing against it.

In fact, I find it strange that anyone finds this change more worthy of debate than the change the Ju-188 from BR4 to BR5 in the same update the jets were added to BR5.

I think it was a significantly worse move than putting a bf 110 G2 on BR4.

As you said yourself, if the Ju188 had stayed at BR4. It’s not like people would clearly be picking one aircraft over the other.

Whereas the Ju188 currently has absolutely nothing to offer in BR5 (Except for pay load obv). Its role at BR5 should clearly be taken over by the Arado 234, which would at least have some chance against jets.

But I am getting kinda off topic. So I apologize.

I said my point, I don’t think the increase of G2’s BR was bad decision.

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really not the point…Its not about the plane suffereing and I didnt say anything about it making it worse?.. Its about what dictates where ALL planes sit (the BR standard). Alot of BR 2 planes dont suffer at all…even in BR 5 (pre jets)

I didnt like that one Either. and that is related to the “standard” aswell, So the same applies. The topic isnt about this one yet because the “standard” stated was 6x250kG bombs = BR 5…And since that hasnt been broken yet, its hard to argue the point…but the moment it does, I will be posting about it.

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Nah they fixed the cannon in the update that get it uptier
Now it cut through Sherman like butter
All you need is separate the keybind for 30mm and 37mm
Use 30mm for infantry and 37mm (now is HVAP only) for tank

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How is not that the point of this :point_down: question?

All I did was simply share my feelings about the change.

On the subject of the standard.

I would prefer if there was no such thing. Since it’s heading towards a 1:1 balance. And thus reducing any variety and encouraging a blending of advantages/disadvantages between factions…

I don’t mind at all that the Soviets have their rocket planes only to BR3, while the Germans and western allies have them from BR3+ and the Japanese have none.

I don’t think there’s a need for something like a standardization. And I don’t think every faction has to have the equivalent of everything.

If that were to be the case, you could realistically only play one single faction and never have the motivation to play any other. Because the other faction realistically wouldn’t have anything unique. At most it would look different, but it wouldn’t offer any unique play style or experience.

So I’m definitely an advocate of individual balancing of planes rather than some boxed standardization.

I prefer when both sides have distinctly different advantages and disadvantages that they can exploit or capitalize on.

I don’t like it when both sides have the same advantages and the same disadvantages. It’s not interesting.

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I misunderstood. I thought you were commenting on the point “Im making”, which it isnt… But if thats just you laying out an opinion thats fine.

Thats still setting a standard though in a way. I dont mind assymetry either…But thats not what has been the focus since merge

Then that raises the question, why move somethig in the first place?

Really I could be arguing how many BR 4/5 planes could be BR 2 planes

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I don’t think it’s intentional standard.

Because it doesn’t make sense when weaker plane of the same faction is higher on BR.

You can.

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Incoming posts of how all Fighters with no bombs should be BR 1 :stuck_out_tongue:

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That’s not even a question of BR.

Either they should get a bomb/rocket loadout, or they should be remade into legacy content.

Planes that are effective only against other planes, barely effective against infantry and completely useless against ground vehicles has no real place in this game.

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Bit of a joke really (half joke)

My opinion on planes is there are 3 major requirements. For a plane to be good it has to have at least 2 of them.

1: Air to Air (dog fighting, manueverability vs what it sees)
2: Anti Infantry
3: Anti Tank

How good they are and at how many of those things, relative to their oponents… is basically their BR worth…

which is funny because BR 2 planes are better at this than most BR 4/5 planes (In Enlisted)

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Yes Russian gear is better then German nu US UK gear is not better then German, with few exceptions. Bangs on drum the M2 was not a match for the FG42 the Thompson was not for the german assault rifle. Stop trying to buff Germany and give Russia the nerfs they need. Or if you buff Germany buff us/UK as well.

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Ive made more posts about moving US/UK BRS (positive) than axis, many of which are now implemented

…in any case off topic.

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Ok show play time I often use play any faction if you were to break up you’re game time would any faction need to be multiple to reach the playtime of another fact. Let’s call them a b c d would you have to add a c d to get b, or multiply a or c or d by two or three to get b. Look I am not picking on you but Germany is number 2 strongest faction number 3 is the US four well we don’t talk about Japan no no.

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Not in the Air it’s not (also ignoring how highly debatable that comment is). And that’s what these topics are about. The “Airforce”…And you said yourself in the other post, flying isn’t your thing… Dont talk to me about tanks and Infantry small arms in a Plane Topic… its off topic.

Not sure what you think you are going to prove here but here…Post Merge relevant to this topic (I spend far more time on foot, even if i love flying)

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How’s I apologize for implying you are German main, but every time us/UK players complain about German armor don’t geman/Italian players say but you have better planes.

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apology accepted, But I don’t recall throwing that comment around myself, so perhaps don’t throw me in with that mob…My preferred nation, Is Commonwealth followed closely by Italy…And its taken along time for me to collect enough to be able to play properly as Commonwealth/Italy

plus there is the fact Im a Warthunder 10 year Vet so, I know the tanks and planes very well (All of them)

I Will be playing alot of Japan the moment they Get the love they so badly need in the Airforce…Im saving them until that day…

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