Just a quick THANK YOU to the devs for addressing the start-of-round plane spam and listening to community feedback and taking suggestions. I was shocked that there was not more of a joyous response to such a game-changing update. Instead all I see is more griping
anyway THANK YOU this will make every single match just that much more fair and enjoyable.
Cheers
And I just managed to get aircraft controls to work yesterday⌠I missed the party. -cries-
Jokes aside, this change was needed.
Agreed indeed it makes the start of the game so much more enjoyable. Both me and my friend made a nice cheer when the patch hit.
Now just waiting for them to fix the alphabetical spawn order so that people with high alphabetical priority (starting name with â_â or âAâ etc) from preventing me to ever spawn into a plane as they just wait 60 seconds in the main menu to use it.
Imo this was not the right way to fix the issue.
Thatâs not a thing, thereâs just a peculiarity of the Dagor engine that delays your spawn sometimes, it happened in War Thunder as well and it happens with infantry squads where itâll randomly boot you out from spawning.
Whenever me and my friend (username: Flipped_Stug) try to spawn, I can click the spawn 4 seconds before him and Iâd still not get the spawn. He gets the spawn 100% of the time. Flipped_Stug also has priority over ManyMilesAway, which in turn has priority over me. It happens with other people as well. Please explain how that is not alphabetical priority.
Not saying you are wrong, but I´m like 50% of times one of the last people spawning (which is unlikely for âEâ to be the last one in the match so often), but I never checked exact names of players in my team.
I will pay more attention to it from now on.
We have a _ name that always spawns late
The âfixâ is a band-aid fix that achieves very little other than cause people to stare at their screens for 60 seconds to spawn in a plane. Who wouldâve predicted this, oh wait, I did. And itâs why Iâve been against this and any kind of spawn timer from day one.
Changing spawns so they are over a wide radius rather than a concentrated area would be better, so would giving infantry and tanks spawn protection at the beginning of the game for 30 seconds, a one-time protection at the start that is, to avoid being bombed or rocketed into an alternate dimension.
Now we have to deal with players not spawning, staring at their screen for a good minute, then hop in a plane, or watch someone else hop in a plane and they spawn as infantry or they sit at the screen more.
Fantastic fix.
Well for me it fixed it, I dont get blown up at spawn anymore and that is what I wanted. If people want to stare at their screen for 60 seconds thats up to them. And honestly that one person that is going to be in the spawn menu for 60 seconds is not going to break the game. Stop being such a drama queen. Op is correct, they fixed a problem and the people that wanted it fixed this way dont say anything about it.
So from my side as well, thank you this fixed my game the way I wanted it.
It is going to ruin immersion and make the game much less fun to play for the people who enjoy planes.
Just like weapons disappearing into the void âfixedâ the fact that picking up a weapon would sometimes change the weapon into another weapon, or how making planes literally blind for 2 patches âfixedâ the fact that render distance is too short for planes (canât notice the issue if youâre blind, right?), or how they âfixedâ certain premium weapons being OP by halfing the squad sizes of premium squads, or how they âfixedâ the Pz2 vs T-60 matchup by ghost nerfing the Pz2 by reducing its frontal armor by 33%, or how they attempted to âfixâ the higher winrate of Germany vs Soviets in Moscow by buffing all Soviet guns for 2 months, or how they âfixedâ engineers spamming MG nests and AA guns by removing the ability to build them in any non-dedicated squad, leading to the inability to protect yourself against planes, etc, I can keep making this longer and longer but I think you got the point by now.
This is not a proper fix. It feels very forced, is not fun for people affected by it, and could have been handled in a much, much better way.
Just saying, a lot of people on this forum asked for a 1 minute at the start of not bombing. We have a minute at the start of not bombing. Personally for me this is a good fix and they listened to the community.
And all the other points you stated, I have no idea about most of those because I either was not around or because I dont play Moskow and really dont want to argue with you about every single mistake or fix this game had.
And for the people that enjoy planes, they can still enjoy planes but just not the first 60 seconds free 25+ kills that kill the game for the rest of the world. And honestly if people enjoy planes so much. I think its 1 in 10 games that I see a person actually flying the plane and restocking. 9 out 10 it is getting the 25+ free kills and crash the plane then spawn as anything else 2 times and make as many kills as possible and then again get the plane make the dumb ammount of free kills and rinse and repeat.
So no I dont think this fix is going to affect a lot of people in a bad way, only the people that want the free game killing frags at the start of the match. And that random dude 1 in 10 matches that sits in the spawn screen for 60 seconds for his plane to actually enjoy it that is a compromise im willing to make for the rest of the world who dont like the start of the game team wipe that much.
Iâve been booted and my name is both _ and numbers
The system doesnât exist or at the very least doesnât function as you said it does. @8383908 is right.
Just saying: Thank you to Darkflow for this great game! Itâs everything I wanted since years. Havenât had so much fun with a game since Red Orchestra or Day of Defeat.
Keep on your excellent work!
_ may count as after letters. But for letters, I can consistently verify the person that got the spawn instead of me had a higher alphabetical priority.
So about the first 10% of most conquest matches? Just denying 10% of gameplay time is bad. Again, they could have just moved the spawns back, so that planes could spawn straight away yet at the same time not get those 25 kills, or by spreading out the infantry spawns so the infantry isnât clustered enough for the planes to mass kill, would also work. But nope, they went for the shortcut that only fixes the symptom of mass spawn kills at the start of the match, instead of addressing the core issues. A plane user can still drop on your spawn after 60s and get 5-15 kills per drop.
A lot of people asking for something doesnât make it smart, correct, or fun. It just means a lot of people complained about it.
This isnât a âfixâ, itâs not fun, Iâm mainly a pilot, this is a half-assed fix that ruins my immersion and is very annoying. And btw, Iâve been on both ends of the chain, both doing the bombing and getting deleted at spawn by an enemy bomber.
So, I can either stare at my screen for 60 seconds and do nothing, and pray someone useless wonât take the plane, or spawn as infantry, and likely never get a plane, because people stare at their screen and keep spawning in them. Thatâs helpful how exactly?
Not to mention some conquest matches end in minutes. 60 seconds can be 10% or 20% of a match, thatâs huge. Thereâs several proper fixes they couldâve handled it, instead, they chose the lazy band-aid fix like the always do since CBT.
THIS would be a better fix than what we have now.
I remember hitting a 27 man feed at the start of one game less than an hour before the patch hit. This change was absolutely necessary and I approve it. Only shame is itâs making my attack pilots a bit harder to level up now xD
Now if only something is done about the constant far ranged automatic and semi-automatic spam (without the person even mounting). Getting insta bursted by SMGs assaulters from 50+ meters away is quite unbalanced and just not fun if you arenât also packing your team with the same exact classes. And most all of the top scorers in lobbies wonât stop riding autos and semi autos because of it.
Making planes effectively unplayable for 90% of players is not a fix even if planes are not supposed to be the primary focus. Some people enjoy it and there is no objective reason to make those people wait 60 seconds in spawn if they want to play with a plane if there are better alternatives as to what you can do to fix the issue of spawns getting bombed without locking plane users out of playing entirely.
You being childish and suggesting to just not play the thing someone wants to play is also not a good answer to the NEW issue of plane players not being able to spawn in at all.
A change - yes.
THIS change - no.
Again:
Either move plane spawns back so you can at least spawn in, even if you have to spend 30+ seconds to get to the battlefield, you at least are flying and have secured your spawn. Furthermore, it punishes suicide bombing after the first spawn too, while rewarding the actual plane pilots who do not want to suicide by allowing them to get better approaches to the increased distance alongside the normal rearm times.
Alternatively, make it so infantry does not spawn all clumped up so there is no way for a plane to kill a large group to begin with!
Thereâs several other, and better solutions to this, that are both friendly in terms of retaining player immersion, and effective at stopping racking up ridiculous killstreak right off the bat, while at the same time not ruining entire matches(thinking of Conquest types here) for a vehicle class considering a minute is incredibly valuable.
I agree that some change WAS necessary because yes, it WAS insane, but not this change. This change is daft. There is no reason to force people to wait a minute to play what they want to play.
Would you be happy if tanks received a minute cooldown before they can spawn at the start of a match?
What about if we ban all infantry types for a minute except the generic Riflemen squad you start with for a minute? That wouldnât be enjoyable to players would it? Itâs the same scenario here.
I go back to what I said above:
Ok so letâs have the majority of the playerbase ask for a tiger 2 in normandy, alongside the removal of the jumbo. It would be the stupidest change but âmajority rulesâ right? Even if it ruins the fun for 49%?
Last time I checked you cannot decide what I, or anyone that is not you, enjoys playing.