After half a month, I believe most BR5 Soviet players who play frequently already have the AVT-40 (20).
Do you still prefer the 15-round version, or do you like the new 20-round one? Or do you prioritize a higher rate of fire and use the AVS-36? Personally, I really like the 25-round Fedorov Avtomat, but since it’s only available in two slots, I ended up choosing the high-fire-rate AVS-36 instead.
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I don’t have any of these yet (since I’m in BR IV), but the one I liked the most whenever I picked it up and used it was the AVT-40 (15 round). It just feels the nicest to use, and I think is a well balanced weapon.
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AVT 40 (15) because it’s the only weapon of them all which was actually used in late WW2 (Berlin).
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You think AVS wasnt used in late war anymore?
My personal list, tho I am biased for using weapons in semi auto:
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Assaulter Fedorov - because 25 rounds in full auto one hit kills is crazy strong, tho limited to Assaulters.
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AVT 20 - very nice all-rounder champion compared to other SFR, no crazy rate of fire but accurate and has very nice open sights.
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Fedorov Burst - burst mode is worthless, so the gun is limited to semi auto… which however suits me very well and a 25 rounder magazine is always nice to have.
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AVS - its high rate of fire is not really necessary - but it has higher damage than AVT and as such has a longer distance at which it still downs in one shot.
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AVT 15 - no point in using over any of the above.
I think all 5 are BR5 worthy and totally usable, tho again AVT 15 is obsolete and fedorov burst cant be used effectively with burst mode.
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Fedorov Rifle/Avtomat > AVT-40 20 > melee charge > AVS-36 > trash > AVT-40 15
Well given that AVS 36 was withdrawn from service in 1940 following its reliability issues during winter war and replaced by SVT 38, which was itself later replaced by SVT 40,
I would say the chances of AVS being used in late war are zero or very close to zero.
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I think meta solidifies around AVT-40 20. Its simply the best all rounder. The accuracy benefit of the AVT40 15 is not visible in my experience, but the faster reload helps it not be a complete failure.
Note Federov 25 rdr with fast fire tapping of the 3rd burst easily reaches over 1k RPM when necessary, so its deff the best rifle of all since it has all the benefits.
Gorov isint mentioned but combines the AVT20 rd advantage with ROF of the AVS.
I run rotate 3 rifle squads in BR5 (meta slave.) 1 with AVS36 on my AKT40 premium squad (for their 28 weapons handling). A Gorov/AVT40 20 squad and a Fed25/AVT40 20 on the 3rd.
AVT 15 rounder fell off into obscurity for me - maybe if they make it accurate enough but currently I dont see any benefit to justify it - its still a very fine rifle however, and if Silver is tight the faster reload post update deff helps it remain relevant.
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The best is the avt for 20 rounds. Now is no reason to took anything else at all
АVS was used for sure in an end of World war II. Especially at the Far East front against Japanese militarists.
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I mostly use the AVT-40 20 rounds because it’s overall the best option.
In my opinion the best fire rate is around 700 rpm so AVT with it’s 660 rpm is close to that, it’s not as potent in CQC as FG42 but it makes up with it’s decent range.
Higher fire rate Vs higher muzzle velocity, less dispersion and better weapon handling. AVT-40 is hands down the best SF rifle for medium and long range shooting.
I phased out the 1913 Fedorov completely and only use 3 AVS-36 rifles because might as well make use of them, since I already own them anyway.
I don’t use AVT-40 15 because the 20 rounds version is just supperior, devs should have just replaced the mag instead of adding it as a new gun, but the snail in it’s infinte wisdom…
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“For sure”?
Source?
Is avt 40 20 unhistorical? Isnt it the same gun with slightly bigger mag?
Then we were preparing to cross the border: intensive training, moving through the Gobi desert to Khingan. It started already in June, as an exercise, and we almost reached the border on foot, even before the declaration of war. Exercises, as usual. Our division (36th) was stationed, and next to it, the 57th. Well, appendages, army special units. These (parts) were not moving, but, let’s say, they gave us a direction, and we are moving. In another division– there. But in fact, we are almost all nearby. You can’t tell the distance between the divisions. Because when war was declared, we managed to get six hours earlier: we crossed the border in cars and were 90 kilometers behind the Japanese lines. Khingan - a gorge has been leveled with the sky. It was dark during the day, and then, when we entered the gorge, we had to abandon the equipment: it was stuck in the mud, but it was blurred, and we walked 350 km. You can’t let everyone into the gorge. Colonel-General Kravchenko’s 11th Tank Corps was also attached to the 36th Division. Even water was brought by car for 100 kilometers (we followed), we poured flasks. Again, the more you drink, the body weakens and you sweat more.
If a soldier gets tired, you take a submachine gun or a Simonov self-loading rifle (with a bayonet) and help. Our direction seemed to be going west. Then to Mukden, and from there to Port Arthur. When we crossed Khingan, we came to settlements with barguts. Rice and watermelon fields were already located there. It turns out that on the ninth of August we crossed the border and on the second of September (Victory Day) we reached Taonan.
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As always, it depends on what we call historical/ahistorical:
But to the best of my knowledge:
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AVT 40 in general was deemed too unreliable (as any full cartridge rifle in full automatic fire mode would be) and phased out in favor of SVT 40 by mid 1943. Surviving rifles were restricted to semi automatic fire only.
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Only the 10 round mag was ever adopted by the red army for AVT/SVT.
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Experimental higher capacity mags were tested but deemed unsatisfactory, cancelled and mostly scrapped in 1943.
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Even theoretically it would be insane to organize logistics for two versions of magazines for an unreliable phased out rifle, 2000 km away from your production base.
As a matter of fact, I just realized that all this time we have had 15 round failed prototype mag for AVT instead of the standard issue 10 round mag. Wow.
So I actually have to correct myself:
AVT 40 20 was most definitely not used by Berlin
AVT 40 15 was definitely not used by Berlin
AVT 40 10 was most likely not used by Berlin
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So all soviet auto rifles are unhistorical? Damn. I guess i will have to get rid of the sole avt 40 in my historical preset
I wouldn’t be surprised if the respected veteran confused Simonov self-loading rifle for Tokarev self-loading rifle.
Especially since Simonov’s SKS-45 was probably issued to him shortly after the war.
However, I am yet to see a single document confirming AVS 36 being used/given anywhere after 1941 since:
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Production was stopped in 1940.
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It was formally withdrawn from frontline service in 1941 due to reliability issues.
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I don’t think any soldier/commander would want to risk their lives just to have a fancy automatic rifle from 10 years ago, which maybe won’t even work.
I wouldn’t surprised if vk would convince even a veteran say something wrong
That’s a terrible just terrible
Your writings just make sure that you don’t want to know about real history, just some documents to approve your point of view. This point of view is wrong and you see a proof.
Just like some kiddo who write about controversial Soviet documents, you like them write that the veteran could make a mistake that’s a terrible and this is not a historical way.
All things you write about documents. First, you didn’t give a document just write about. The second everything you say. I have sources which tells it’s not true, but I didn’t publish it here. Because your relation to respectable sources