What tank doesn’t have at least 5 seconds reload speed? This is mediocre anti infantry power- which marder even already has + that one even has a mg.
Stop being ridiculous
5 Likes
The armor of the Marder is a fatal flaw, as it does not have the average level of BR2 armor like the Stug.Stug should pay some price for this.
Having a BR3 cannon in BR2 doesn’t have any disadvantages, who is more ridiculous?Look at the M3’s gun, AP is its weakness.
I mean casemate, no MG and limited ammo all sound like disadvantages to me.
3 Likes
Couldn’t agree more. Some of the most fun I’ve had in this game was when the merge first dropped and I was finally able to drive around with the Stalingrad StuG in Moscow and many other maps where it was missing for so long. Interestingly enough, it plays much better in non-Stalingrad maps, as the short profile it’s also another disadvantage, given the fact there’s so much clutter and obstacles you need to circumvent to make the perfect shot. It deserves some love indeed, it has a powerful gun, but not having a turret, no MG, and having to turn the whole tank to aim at fast moving targets is a huge disadvantage, yet I love it as it has its unique charm, it’s iconic and it’s mean looking, as it screams WW2 just by the looks. But it’s BR II material at best indeed. And if we ever get a vehicle such as the Hetzer (Jagdpanzer 38) it would fit perfectly as an appropriate SPG under BR III level-worthy, at least in my opinion, as that one does have an MG on top at least.
5 Likes
the T-28E doesnt have a good cannon? Yeah…thats not how it works. What makes a cannon “good” is its ammunition and effectiveness “relative” to what it sees. There is nothing this cannon cant dominate in its BR bracket (1-3) with its excessive HE filler …even in an uptier…including the stug. T-28E is clearly the best all round tank at BR 2 atm. It was always strong.
Im convinced people never bothered to actually play it or just dont have the experience
9 Likes
I think it is just a matter of time for this to be done (hopefully DF is not really thinking that the tech tree is good as it is right now and not planning to not do any changes in the near future)
Yes tank destroyers or SPA should have a powerful an overkill one for its BR in exchange for the routable turret or armor. They should be the get out of jail card in the event of getting up tiered, these vehicles should be able to pen higher BR tanks.
If this is not true then you have the issue that Enlisted currently has, and it is that no one will play tank destroyers because there is absolutely 0 reasons to, why would you pick a Stug over a panzer if the panzer will be superior in every way? It is just silly, in many ways that I don’t really want to go over with.
But in conclusion yes, pls Darkflow re balance tank destroyers BR.
5 Likes
That’s completely wrong approach. Each vehicle should be balanced individually, not by some pseudo standard of being turretless TD and thus automatically deserves to be 1 BR lower.
In this case, Stug is nothing exceptional and it is very likely people would still pick other BR2 tanks over it anyway. It would not create disbalance on BR2
It has the armour of a BR2 tank, it has worse anti-infantry capabilities than the current premium BR2 stuG, it has no better AT capabilities than the average German BR3 tanks.
Not to mention, if staying on BR3, it is going to became totally outdated once hetzer is going to be added to the game (it’s currently in files).
2 Likes
No, that’s a clear bad decision and would severely powercreep BR2 tanks and make BR1 player’s lives hell
-The guns are much better than any other BR2 tank’s
-the armour profiles are difficult for average BR2 tanks to penetrate, God forbid a BR1 tank tries to fight it
-Have full traverse turrets and machine guns, unlike the StuG
Sure they aren’t meta tanks at BR3, but they are still good and should absolutely not be on BR2, the StuG can be moved though because it’s restricted by the casemate design, weak armour that can be penetrated by even 37mm cannons, and no machine gun
And to this, no, it’s functionally an M1 carbine with double the ammunition, it’s fine on BR3
While you’re at it, move the A down to BR 1 and the G to BR 2. Or give the G a top mounted MG.
1 Like
STUG A in BR1 needs a change to its ammo tho, and STUG G has 80mm of armor with just a few weak spots, definitely OP in BR2. That being said - I cry every time i see a STUG with a shielded MG in other games because I know Enlisted doesn’t have its MG being usable.
3 Likes
It would be bad in enlisted anyway, as gunner can use only coax MG.
Leaving you with MG that can’t be used with proper zoom. Unless you go outside of hatch, expose your commander just to use binos.
Ppl are afraid of stug 3 being meta OP at BR2. Hell froze
4 Likes
all stugs 
by 1 BR
3 Likes
Im actually surprised how they didnt add stugs to each tier, I mean yeah having stug each step would be lame but yet, having improved stugs would be better than having 30 copy paste pz4
2 Likes
Gameplay wise it definitely wouldn’t.
Why?, instead of pzE, f1 I would loved to see TT stug for infantry support, and instead of 4 different pz4 in same tier, I would like to see another stug for example lets say, stug F in br2, stug G in br3 TT instead of premimum. with little improvements like, high versions with MG, or better gun, or little bit armor etc…
2 Likes
This is too crazy.
1 Like
Why not?
Let’s spread this movement. Give the StuG III more respect! #JusticeForStuGIII
Now that were on it, let’s also push for the introduction of the StuG IV, which would be a novelty given the fact that not even WT has it, and the MG on top would justify placing it in BR-III fair and square. I mean, how difficult could it be to introduce it? They’re just lazy and uninspired at this point, really, no offense. They’re swimming in options of potential new vehicles here.
1 Like
Adamnpee, please understand this is not a wrong approach, this is the exact way that tank destroyers were used in real life, a cheaper chassis a powerful cannon that could be mass produced to face heavily armored vehicles and this should be the same way that these tanks should be used in game ffs, if everyone has access vehicles with cannons powerful enough to deal with up tiers are given, then the issue of king tigers abusing shermans, think for a second when you reply to me you almost never do this and this is the exact reason why I usually ignore your comments.
I’m pretty much asking for this vehicle to be down tiered clearly, and as I said
Yes there are way more factors to be taken in consideration but to start with this basic measure will be way better than just leave these vehicles catching dust for another whole year.
1 Like