-Its got 50mm of armor (with a bit of extra spice as its hit zones are kinda irregular)
-It has no MG
-it has the L43 gun of Panzer IV F2 ( which is a bit weaker than L48 gun of Panzer IV H)
Its pretty much just a Marder without the open top weakness but in return without MG.
Sound like BR2 to me.
Give STUGs a reason to be used - STUGs are iconic and the most effective and most produced armored fighting vehicle of the German Panzer forces.
If I remember correctly, STUGs had the most confirmed tank knock outs of human history - no vehicle type ever had more tank kills than STUG III.
Ive argued for it for a long time, I would be glad to see it too.
I would agree with this, but it should have a longer loading time.Relying solely on the absence of MG does not give it worse anti infantry capabilities, as its loading time can be as fast as 5 seconds.
Having no MG is crippling enough. T28E will one hit kill it every time anyways, and that one has actually relatively fast reload speed. Panzer IV F2 is almost useless in BR3 - L43 actually has issues and seriously stuggles with KV1 (no kidding go try it out)
Tho I guess this sounds more like a reason to fix L43.
Anyways, I want to see STUGs, stugs deserve love, and having no turret should give you proper vehicle power in return.
STUG will probably still be inferior to many BR2 vehicles head on, but believe what you want.
Still 1 second longer than T28E so when is T28E beeing nerfed then?
It doesn’t have such a good cannon.
And other such hilarious jokes to tell, its anti infantry ability is better than the L43 for sure, and vs what it faces, there is nothing it cant easily pen. (Maybe the odd few tanks which require you to spend the extra few seconds finding a turret ring/etc.) (Not to mention it will one shot anything it does pen)
The HE is very similar. So anti infantry is
German APHE is good in penetrating but its post pen often is a bit lacking as it really has very little filler
so you need to make sure you aim near what you want dead inside the enemy tank.
Meanwhile allied and USSR APHE nearly always 1 shot no matter where you pen.
If a 75mm cannon that only takes 5 seconds to load still doesn’t kill infantry well for you, then you seem like a joke.
Where did I say 75’s cant kill infantry? Do you wanna maybe take a chill pill Jade? You appear as to be getting worked up over nothing atm?
"The 5-second loading time is mediocre, "you keep saying that, completely avoid discussing its anti infantry effects.
It has a longer loading time than the Pz4 F1, but it is worthwhile to obtain better artillery at the cost of longer loading time.
Okay chill pill time, slowly and surely.
But yes, 5 seconds reload is bog standard, and thats it upgraded.
I mean you say its going to be a broken anti infantry gun despite the fact, as you even pointed out, the E and F1 are there too, offering a far better gun for anti infantry work? Not to mention both the USSR and Allies have arguably better guns in the same class at that BR.
I think a good vehicle to compare it to is the M3 Lee,
Im sure I dont need to state which vehicle has all that over the other, yet sits a BR below it.
Let’s summarize:
A loading time of 5 seconds can provide Stug F with excellent anti infantry capabilities.
The Stug 3 F’s artillery is capable of destroying any tank of the Allied BR3=possessing excellent anti tank capabilities.
Almost all BR2 tanks have armor of around 50mm, and their armor is not particularly bad.And due to its powerful gun, it will definitely have an advantage in long-range confrontation with BR2.
The AP of M3 is much worse, as it often requires multiple shots to destroy a tank.There is no doubt that Stug 3 F can destroy any BR2 tank with just one shell.
Even when facing M3, you can quickly destroy it, so it is not an excessive requirement for Stug 3F to have longer loading time.
It is however an unnecessary nerf to a faction that is atm, underpowered for BR2.
Your first point is moot because of all the other vehicles at BR2 that fit that bill exactly.
Your second point is also moot as both the T-28E and M3 can both very easily destroy any BR3 German tank.
Your third point is just justification to move the Stug to BR2.
As for your last point, Id hope so considering its a tank destroyer. Not to mention the likes of the T-28E can survive a shot from it easily considering its spaced out crew.
It is at a disadvantage to the best vehicles of BR2, its role is situational, and it lacks the flexibility of other platforms.
You make it out to be some great terror to infantry, ignoring that the E and F1, 28E, M8 and hell frankly the Crusader too exist. This vehicle would be far less dangerous to infantry than any of the above.
Not to mention your justification for keeping the Stug up unless you brutally nerf its reload, is that “Well it can destroy a M3 Lee easily”, completely ignoring the fact that the M3 Lee and literally any other commonly seen vehicle in that range can very easily destroy the Stug too.
As for the Allies being forced to us AP as an artificial downgrade, yeah that sucks too but that is another topic frankly.
If it’s in BR2, it will undoubtedly become the mainstay.Without a turret, you just need to maintain distance, in fact, even if you have a turret, you still need to maintain distance.
It absolutely wont, the F1 and E will still be better than the Stug 80% of the time, especially so if they get the model B HEAT shell they really need.
As for distance, there is a balance to be had, in fact the likes of the 28E tend to shine the most at a medium range even, and on a lot of maps, the E and F1 too, purely due to the terrain.
it has a more than good cannon - it shoots nukes with massive post pen damage, yes it doesnt have the best pen, but when it penetrates it will one hit kill almost all the time. it has over 60mm of penetration.
well thats the point - drive a crappy SPG with poor armor and no MG just to be able to fight back KV1 and such.
what are you complaining about?
again T28E reloads faster and deals more damage than Stug, it has better AT and better AI in a direct comparison, the only thing T28E lacks is low penetraion power to fight BR3 vehicles - which luckily at BR3 still only have 50 mm of armor.
so in other words:
T28E is better against tanks than Stug
T28E is better against infantry than Stug
both T28E and STUG can fight BR3 tanks.
the only reason why STUG should move to BR2 is so it can fight KV1, T34 STZ, Churchill, and what else heavy tanks there are that German BR2 tanks heavily struggle with.
Once again, due to its 5-second loading time, it can also pose a significant threat to infantry.