Think about it, not only was the Fedorov a WW1 gun, but it was also so unreliable that people would only use it in semi auto anyways.
So it doesn’t kill in one shot like the M1 Carbine or the armaguerra, while it does have a bigger magazine.
Little tweaks can be done ( and should be done, M1 Carbine is horribly bad and needs a rate of fire and accuracy buff), still… personally I think if done correctly it makes even more sense than it being a BR5 Assault Rifle, though a theoretical argument can be made that a really really well made and fine adjusted Fedorov could function good enough to fire semi reliable in full auto.
So both versions would have a place in the game.
And again, I personally am always for discussions about asymmetrical balance, but Soviets specifically being the faction WITHOUT a low BR semi auto despite historically speaking they were pretty much the first to have relevant semi auto rifles fielded… yeah there is little sense in that.
“PS off topic, nerf body armor”
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Yessssss!!! Nerf Fedorov avtomat down to BR II where it belongs
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Don’t change meta too much, I dont think soviet high Tier weapons are overperforming.
Yes AVT is more accurate than FG42, but its got a smaller magazine, also even though FG42 has been nerfed with increased recoil its still fairly controllable considering its high rate of fire.
And Fedorov also has a smaller magazine than STGs and a slower rate of fire.
I honestly think that the trade off is more than fair.
Soviet BR5 MGs are pretty insane, and feel almost as if they have no dispersion what so ever, but honestly I think its just that German MGs kinda suck in comparison, even US MGs are very accurate.
The only thing that messes with balance is Soviet body armor and extra vitality from paratroopers and flamers, because it turns a FG42 and some semi autos into a two hit kill weapon.
I prefer a more realistic approach, there was an earlier version of the fedorov that only had a 5 round magazine and would only fire in semi-auto mode. If memory serves this was more of a precursor to the one we have in the game. That would make a more accurate BR II. The weapon trials for this weapon we’re not very impressive and they had to go back to the drawing board. So in short, all versions of the Fedorov we’re deemed unreliable, But the fully automatic version was pressed into service as a battle rifle not an assault rifle. There was roughly 150 rifles made, before world war I as a semi-auto rifle. Seeing the French chachat is what inspired him to make a hybrid between rifle and light machine gun, hence the weapon we have in the game. But this resulted in two different weapons.
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the fedorov semi auto rifle chambered in Russian 7.62x54R.
The fedorov chambered for 6.5mm arisaka.
This was made in response too the Russo-sino war, As an attempt to modernize and make the Mosin Nagant semi automatic. Came in standard five round internal magazines. The original Fedorov Avomat before world war I broke out. As said above, 150 of these rifles were created for trial testing before the war. After the war they switched to a fully automatic version which was unreliable and was prone to jamming.
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Very good point, 5 round mags indeed make for a good balance approach.
I have seen 5 round mags for AVT aswell.
Maybe some earlier BR selectfire weapons could spice the game up a bit.
10 round FG mags, 5 or 20 round SVT/AVT mags, bigger BAR mags, 10 round STG mags.
Magazines are a very easy way to “copy paste nerf” top weapons into lower BRs.
We could definitely do with seeing 30 round bar mags. It’s a shame none of the bars in the game have them. They were a rarity, But they were still produced in a fair amount of numbers.
As for the SVT, we have a gold order SVT-40 with a bubnov magazine that holds 20. So I’m not sure we would need a tech tree version. The rest of the weapons on the other hand… Good choices indeed.
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Well now I’m interested in why it couldn’t function right. Something wrong with the cycling system? Fouled too quickly? It wouldn’t be gas…I don’t think. That only leaves blowback. Pretty sure the Germans had the roller delayed blowback market cornered. Not sure exactly what caliber it is or if it’s small enough for direct blowback. Aight time to look into this
How ? If it has much worse recoil pattern:
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A torso size “recoil” pattern without touching mouse.
Man they really hate soviets, how can you manage ?
From what information I could dig up was a potential issue with rimless ammo. That was used on the earlier models that were designed to fire semi-auto only. But they did go with an ammunition change, from the 6.5mm fedorov to the standard 7.62. it was mainly ejection problems At least as far as I was able to find out. That caused it to become prone to jamming.
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Bcs they dont need any
Lets look at the low tier semis:
Armaguerra
M1 carbine
Type hei
They all have common features;
Low rate of fire
Weak hit power
High dispersion
Unreliable horizontal recoil
Etc…
A kar 98 without any upgrade does better job in conflict
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Not every single new weapon has to be meta, we dont have linear progression anymore.
Adding content and diversity to a tech tree is never a bad thing, especially at lower BRs where its easily obtainable by everybody.
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Huh. Weird how it was a rimless case causing extraction issues. Don’t they know how to use an extractor? Lol
I agree on a low level Soviet Semi auto, but unless you have a clean head shot your not killing many people with one shot with the M1 Carbine. Try half a dozen. 
I loved the level one Beretta semi auto that was a level one BP gun as well and the S&M semi auto level 2 US gun that was in the BP. The Smith is much better then the M1 Carbine. I think both are still there, but since I bought 4 of each they don’t show up on my BP now. But there needs to be more semi auto’s offered in the tech tree at least by level 2.
That was likely the issue, because it was rimless it wasn’t extracting correctly when it was attempting to grab the expended case and eject it. Causing it to try to double feed ammo into the receiver. Pre World war I to Korean war era gunsmiths were really creative, and had a lot of failures.
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A Fedorov rifle with a 25-round magazine from a Madsen machine gun.
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Dude the pistol caliber carbines are the BEST. The KBP or whatever in the Russian BP is also so much darn fun. Probably the best of the 3. The Smith and Wesson I definitely have fun with too
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It’s just a claw extractor. Something invented in the late 1800’s. Like was it made too small or shallow so it would rip the casing or not properly grip it? Caseless ammunition isn’t that hard to extract. Lol. Crazy how firearms even today can have extraction issues in development. Anyways, thanks for the info. Was able to open a tab but couldn’t spend time on it cause work and got busy after work
