Tbh it should have been a tank imo. Or rather an infantry support vehicle, with many others.
But now it’s far too late for such changes.
The reason that it would suck a lot as a tank since the Panzer III N and the short-barrel Panzer IVs exist. It aint rocket science.
Doesn’t this shit get boring? The horse died four years ago, is already buried down and you still have to dig it up. The desecration of corpses is a crime.
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Only if they make another class, but at the same how many more classes do we need until people realize that everyone spams shells but no one is on the field to get spamed at?
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What allied APC proposals are you on about, because neither the Kangaroo’s nor the M3 scout car are exactly TD’s. Technically the T-20 type vehicles can act as TD’s, but again, like the universal carriers, why do that when its better used as an APC.
Not to mention your going off what it cant do as your argument, I havent seen any indication the 251/9 is going to get HEAT, let alone the late war HEAT.
And even if it did, it becomes a RP piñata at that point, any HE shells or anyone in an elevated position can easily kill it.
If you are determined to have it nerfed, I think you should just not let it spawn in squads for a few seconds after firing the gun, while when the gun isnt in use, its clear to act like an APC.
Just on the last point, your comparing apples and oranges there.
One involves tank riders sitting on bare armour plate, the other involves an APC fitted with an Infantry Support Gun which still has space to carry infantry, not to mention its not exactly hard to find accounts of such vehicles carrying infantry into battle. What I did struggle to find was accounts stating these were not used to carry infantry, the closest being that the stummel was a prized possession, which is immediately followed by talking about how it carried infantry too.
And we are talking historical, it should get its late war HEAT shells, no APHE, and Smoke. It can carry 32 rounds, so more than enough space is left in it for infantry to mount it too. However for the sake of gameplay, I think its fair to leave it with only HE and Smoke.
By now it’s way too late to change it’s classification
Besides it was already nerfed since it has a 5 second reload instead of the 3.3 sec reload short 75mm has
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Let’s see how many Soviet or American tanks you will kill at BR3. Yeah zero while your deaths while trying to fight weaker BR2 vehicles still would be much higher than your kills. Just single shot against you and you are dead.
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I was talking about the APC with a tank gun proposals which mostly boil down to the M3 GMC and the Su 57 half track. All of which have enoght pen to basicly lolpen anything until they see BR 4.
It was suggested before and I hope it will never come.
I never claimed that the current APC is capable of that…
Yes，you are right side of history .But it is a game，the part of history is served the game play instead of only becoming a real history simulator.If you like it be a more historical simulator，there are many things you should changed.Not a 7 man squad will equip so much machine guns.It seems that you refer you can enjoy the respawn mechanism.So I guess you actually wanting a balance ？
So you might actually think 5“tanks” is unfair？
Like I said it’s long overdue. Gotta keep it fresh
Two wrongs don’t make a right. That’s a designated tank destroyer
At the moment there isn’t really such a thing as an infantry support vehicle since the “tank” slot covers pretty much every vehicle type
But that shouldn’t be an excuse. There are tons of miscellaneous vehicles. It would be a fine BR 1 Assault Gun
The point is it’s about proper vehicle class.
I’ll never give up! These simple mistakes should be corrected
Besides outright changing it the only compromise would be that everyone who has this event APC squad keeps it as is, but the 251/9 II is rereleased as a RT tank.
Though I will specify that these are 2 individual vehicles. Some people have this legacy APC squad, everyone can unlock the true “tank”
I never said it needs to be 200% historical accurate but it’s about doing as best as it reasonably can. Vehicles like the 251/9 were not infantry carriers so it should be the “tank slot”. Standard 251 is APC, every other variant was some AA, assault gun, tank destroyer, etc
Otherwise let’s make every tank an APC since soldiers rode on their backs
Now I’ve read it all.
What parts of history you like to keep？
What is long overdue is put back this APC in BR2, where it belongs and was intended to be.
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then, I do the suggestion
FYI, you’re not supposed to be fighting within an APC anyway: APCs are mobile spawn points; they should be hidden well somewhere close to an objective, and should also avoid fighting while making its way to that point—otherwise, you give up its position to the enemy (who will definitely try to blow it up). The onboard weapons are there for defensive purposes only, and should only be used if absolutely necessary.
Therefore, it doesn’t matter where this APC is slotted—BR II, BR III, etc.—It should be used in the same manner at any BR.
While we’re on the subject… I’ve seen many people blowing the horns on APCs as they drive toward the objective. All they’re doing is announcing the APCs position to the entire enemy team. It really makes no sense.
Not an APC but map prop.
Does not even have a hatch for quick dismounts so what do you expect here?
Do you expect 9 man to just squeze past the already crammed turret and exit through the small hatches that way?
I remember someone suggested making the
LVT A1 and LVT A4 into APCs 