Halftracks were originally used to ferry infantry but they were modified to perform more specialized combat roles like assault guns, AAA, tank destroyers, etc. These halftracks were no longer used to ferry infantry as they had to fit a weapon system, ammunition, and a crew to be a weapon platform
For some reason they made the Sd. Kfz. 251/9 II an “APC”. This halftrack and many others did not carry infantry. It should be changed into the “tank slot”. It is a combat vehicle and not infantry transport
For integrity it should be changed. It has been long overdue
You’re just using historical facts to push changes to game with intention to piss someone off and ruin their joy of having an APC with a cannon (which isn’t even strong at all on its BR)
Giving the APC weaponry like a tank was a mistake but taking away the free event apc should not be the solution eighter.
The gun is already heaviely nerfed in its rate of fire aswell as by beeing BR 3.
No thanks that gun is just crap it can’t kill a single tank at BR2-3 with it’s laughably bad pen. And you are a free xp for anyone that spots you. If anything we should have more vehicular slots. That includes APCs, SPAA, light tanks (at BR3-5) and Tank Destroyers.
Why? It’s not game breaking nor powerful. It’s literally just gimmick - added flavour.
Furthermore, it is completely naive to think that the vehicle was never used to transport infantry. Just because it wasn’t designed for that purpose.
That’s not how real life works.
I fail to understand how anyone can combat similar small deviations that make the game more interesting and not so uniform.
Even more so when it is just a limited exclusive event reward.
It is only a gimmick until it is capable of killing tanks aswell.
Then it can defend itself against tanks and actually brawl and spam HE to its full potential while no ocuppying the tank slot.
Like every allied armed “APC” proposed so far was another TD that would be able to take out any tank it would be able to see.
The only thing holding the APC back from abusing the gun is the threat of enemy tanks as it cant do shit to them. If that would be changed you basicly allow a side to have up to 5 tanks.
Obviously yes this is a game and games are crazy but we should try to blend history as best as it can. It’s not perfect but it’s about having a balance. Sure infantry can spawn out of thin air, but they should be spawning out of the correct vehicle
At the same time sometimes change is necessary. Like when they removed the Mkb from Engineers. Or if they ever remove the Allied Panzerschreck.
Another alternative could be anyone who has this APC squad can keep it as is like legacy content BUT the 251/9 II should be readded to the RT as a proper tank
Fair points but for the foreseeable future the vehicle system is as is so this would be a “tank”. It’s more of a combat vehicle slot anyway
That is true but it’s about designated role. Otherwise we might as well make every single tank an APC because infantry could ride on its back.
I don’t think there’s a need for this, although it would be unwise to limit the cannon APC to Germany, I hope to see more APC, like this:
(maby for br4?)
The reason that it would suck a lot as a tank since the Panzer III N and the short-barrel Panzer IVs exist. It aint rocket science.
Doesn’t this shit get boring? The horse died four years ago, is already buried down and you still have to dig it up. The desecration of corpses is a crime.
Only if they make another class, but at the same how many more classes do we need until people realize that everyone spams shells but no one is on the field to get spamed at?
What allied APC proposals are you on about, because neither the Kangaroo’s nor the M3 scout car are exactly TD’s. Technically the T-20 type vehicles can act as TD’s, but again, like the universal carriers, why do that when its better used as an APC.
Not to mention your going off what it cant do as your argument, I havent seen any indication the 251/9 is going to get HEAT, let alone the late war HEAT.
And even if it did, it becomes a RP piñata at that point, any HE shells or anyone in an elevated position can easily kill it.
If you are determined to have it nerfed, I think you should just not let it spawn in squads for a few seconds after firing the gun, while when the gun isnt in use, its clear to act like an APC.
Just on the last point, your comparing apples and oranges there.
One involves tank riders sitting on bare armour plate, the other involves an APC fitted with an Infantry Support Gun which still has space to carry infantry, not to mention its not exactly hard to find accounts of such vehicles carrying infantry into battle. What I did struggle to find was accounts stating these were not used to carry infantry, the closest being that the stummel was a prized possession, which is immediately followed by talking about how it carried infantry too.
And we are talking historical, it should get its late war HEAT shells, no APHE, and Smoke. It can carry 32 rounds, so more than enough space is left in it for infantry to mount it too. However for the sake of gameplay, I think its fair to leave it with only HE and Smoke.
By now it’s way too late to change it’s classification
Besides it was already nerfed since it has a 5 second reload instead of the 3.3 sec reload short 75mm has
Let’s see how many Soviet or American tanks you will kill at BR3. Yeah zero while your deaths while trying to fight weaker BR2 vehicles still would be much higher than your kills. Just single shot against you and you are dead.
I was talking about the APC with a tank gun proposals which mostly boil down to the M3 GMC and the Su 57 half track. All of which have enoght pen to basicly lolpen anything until they see BR 4.
It was suggested before and I hope it will never come.
I never claimed that the current APC is capable of that…
Yes，you are right side of history .But it is a game，the part of history is served the game play instead of only becoming a real history simulator.If you like it be a more historical simulator，there are many things you should changed.Not a 7 man squad will equip so much machine guns.It seems that you refer you can enjoy the respawn mechanism.So I guess you actually wanting a balance ？
