Replacing the Panzer III B with the Panzer 35(t)

Hello everyone, unfortunately the Panzer III B did not take part in the Invasion of the Soviet Union since it was withdram from combat service after the Invasion of France. I would thus suggest replaceing it with the Panzer 35(t) since it is overall fairly similar in performace and actually took part in Operation Babarossa.
Futhermore it also makes more sense in terms of the number of vehicles used since only 10 Panzer III Bs were actually build wheras more than 200 Panzer 35(t)s were used by the Germans and more than 100 by the Romanians.

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No - the 35▲ is too good compared to hte T-26 that is its opposite number.

It would be the equivalent of saying “Hey - there were no T-28’s at Moscow - but there were T-34’s - so how about the T-34 replaces the T-28?”

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Yes and no, the T-26 would be outclassed but the armour on the 35(t) is very thin, making it an easy target for anti-tank weapon.
And tbh honest the T-26 is already overtaken by the vast majority of enemy tanks, in terms of armour and survivability.
But on the other hand, The main advantage of the T-26 is its anti-tank capability, very interesting thanks to the 45mm. But the 35(t) would be able to compete with its 37mm, even more than the Pz3B.
It could be a posibility to change the 3B with the 35(t), I don’t think it will be OP but it can be a big opponent against the Russian tanks.

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Pretty much the reason it suggested it, from my experince in warthunder a 45mm tank like the T-26 or BT-5 has an easier time knocking out a Panzer 35(t) than a Panzer III because of how cramped a 35(t) is, it is also slower than a Panzer III, carries about half the ammo and has 1 less useable machiengun. (this actually matters in this game as opposed to warthunder). I personally don´t see how it is better than the the T26, if you mean armor maybe, but 25 mm Frontal armor doesn´t protect you from 45mm Guns at the ranges in this game and even a 20 mm can go throug at point blak range (at least with the HV-Ammo belt but thats not in this game yet)

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Yes the armour is not difficult to penetrate, and that is why it is not OP in my opinion. In fact, the main drawback of this tank (for enemy players) is the fact that it has a pretty good cannon against the tanks, just like the T-26, except that it has a crew of 5 men against 3 for the T-26, which improves somewhat its survivability.

The 35(t) would not be op compared to the essentially useless Pz III B. The 38(t) is already in the game as premium vehicle and easy to kill for all 4 Soviet Tanks. But unlike the Pz II C and III B the 38(t) can fight back. on relatively equal ground.
Armorwise the 35(t)'s 25mm are a slight improvement gameplaywise compared to the 15mm Paper Armor the III B has, evening the ground a bit for earlier German armored forces while not changing anything major about the killability of German tanks.

I pointed out the main reason why some people would think this tank may be OP, but I agree that it is not really the case. I am personally in favor of implementing the 35(t) instead of the 3B.

Fully support, 35 would fit better.

Can we say the same for T60 and Pz2?

I think 35 is not OP compared to T26. Argamendon stated everything correctly.

Wrote a whole thread on T-34 and how it could be balanced:

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How does the T-60 fare against each?

T-60 can barely stack up against the Panzer III B but is workable, Panzer II can wipe the floor with the T-26 with no effort.

If the 35t is too hard for the T-60 to damage it could be too imbalanced

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The 38t is already in the game as a premium squad
35t is worse and the 38t is doesn’t do well against anything Better than a t60

That is a fair point, I think the best option would be to allow the T60 to use it´s API HV belt (32 mm Pen @ 10 m distance), this would allow it to pen the 35(t) frontally fairly easy + give it more of a fighting chance against the Panzer III E. I think this would pretty much solve the balance problem.

@1683707 it is not so much about what is better but what was actually there to kepp it authentic, there were no Panzer III Bs at the eastern front at all + only 10 of them built in total.

Buffing the T-60 anymore will make the Pz II absolutely useless. There are consequences to buffing or replacing the equipment at lower levels.

All valid points, but same thing applies for PZ2 vs T60. PZ2 has more chance against T26 and BT7 than against T60.

Here is the armor comparison:

T26 has no problem penetrating the front from 1km.

T60 can pen it from 100 meters, front plate:

To me this seems fair. T60 is first tank you get, it should not be able to pen second axis tank in the line wherever it hits it.

The starter tanks mutually struggle against eachother, and it’s kindof irrelevant

panzer II can effortlessly pen the 2nd and 3rd Russian tanks.

Probably my main cause of death in both the T-26 and BT has been panzer IIs blindly spraying in an arc and still wiping out my crew because they pen everywhere anyway.

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All valid points, but what I actualy want to hear is what do you think about 35? Would it be OP or not? :thinking:

In real practice, the T-60 needs to aim in between the Panzer III’s guns or from the side between the tracks to pen, so a 35t having twice the armor wouldn’t be possible to pen.

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In real practice, something is wrong in shell penetration values in Enlisted. As always, I am talking about fixing the cause of the problem, not the symptoms.

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Adding a different tank wouldn’t fix the cause, it just makes the symptoms worse.

But yeah, Panzer II got an armor nerf because the way penetration works here it was harder to pen than the III E somehow before.

I was not talking about adding the tank, but fixing the strange penetration behavior (cause). When they fix that you can add the tank and T60 will not have problems penning it if in realistic penning range.

Seems like the faster turret and better armor would make it a much better second tier tank for the germans without being OP, if it is added.