Its by far the worst gamemode I’ve encountered so far. Its impossible for the average attackers to capture and hold both objectives. I’ve played multiple times as an attacker and have never gotten past the first 2 objectives. I’ve also played as the defenders and its too easy. Either remove this gamemode or put an equal spawn limit on defenders.
Its too easy for the defenders, all they have to do is push one objective and keep the attackers from taking that single one. If by some miracle there are enough attackers to start capturing that one, the defenders just move to the other. All it takes is a tiny sliver missing from the capture bar and the attackers cant progress. Add in the constant plane bombings and tanks and the defenders have the easiest win ever.
Also, don’t know if it was a bug or a cheat, but I went up against a guy on this map who wouldn’t die no matter how many times I shot him. He just spammed a flamethrower and wiped out half our team. I’m not going to put his name here if it was just a bug
Won this earlier easily.
They couldn’t defend anything. Map is fine.
And because you “won easily,” my experience and feedback for the average player is invalid. I’ve seen you around these forums, anytime someone has negative feedback you comment that you’ve never had that issue, thus it’s their fault and the game is fine. You use your CBT tag to try and trump a conversation and prove yourself better than us amateur new players. Guess what, not all of us are pro gamers that win every game. We find imbalances that higher ranked and better equipped players don’t encounter. Imbalances that ruin the experience and when we try to provide feedback, the last thing we need is someone like you saying everything “is fine” and thus nothing should be fixed.
If you don’t have anything helpful to say, don’t say anything at all.
I played many Assault matches in Moscow, Normandy and even Berlin in first alpha test. Both as attackers and defenders. There were victoris, defeats, easy matches and matches where you had to fight for every single meter of map.
And it is good gamemode in my opinion. It requires something more than blindly running around the map - to win you need to cooperate. Of course it can be difficult when you are playing with randoms, but its in no way impossible.
Instead of calling for removal or unnecessary rebalances I would advise you all to wait until we get preference system, so you would less likely get those maps. Let people who enjoy them have their fun.
I would just say make it impossible for the defenders to recap a point.
This to be honest. Invasion works well because it’s a step-by-step you take the objective, they fall back to a new one. In Assault, you take one and go to capture the other but by the time you’ve done that the enemy have recaptured the first point. As Ad9999 said, it’s harder with Randoms who don’t know how to defend the first objective you capture.
However, Ad9999 is one of those people who believes because he is either CBT or Tester that he can look down on others, everything should be his way and the world owes him everything. Just because Ad9999 played a couple of games and won, doesn’t mean it’s not broken. Just because Ad9999 likes it, doesn’t mean everyone else does, nor that it should be kept in the game. Ad9999, you’re one of those richboy, overentitled toxics who destroy a video game community. Sorry, just facts. You ruin it for every other CBT and Tester out there, like Wolfy706 here, who actually want to contribute to make it better for everyone, not just have things their own way.
> it’s harder with Randoms who don’t know how to defend the first objective you capture.
I actually said to a few random people in a lobby the other day “Hey guys, let’s get on the objective and defend it” and they got bitchy at me lol. Sorry I know how to actually play the game, sitting on an MG-42 down the road won’t stop them from capturing it, especially if they aren’t even coming from that direction anymore.
So… if I say something that doesn’t fit your own perspective on that case you start automaticaly attack me personally and without any reasons call me “richboy”, “overentitled toxic” and “destroyer of community”?
I clearly said that it is MY opinion about this mode and I, like everyone here, have right to show that opionion. You clearly need to learn to understand that not everyone has the same opionions as you nad the world isn’t supposed to always work like you want it to do.
I didn’t attack anyone. I didn’t tell anyone that they have to like this gamemode. The only thing I said is to instead of calling for removing things that YOU don’t like without thinking about people who like that gamemode is unnecessary - it is confirmed that devs are working on the preference system that will allow you to choose what gamemodes you will like to play. So instead of doing exactly what you are accusing me of calm down a bit and stop attacking people for not agreeing with you.
It is also not my fault that you encountered toxic teammates in the match. But that’s online gaming - if you don’t trust randoms, gather some friends nad play with them. But stop judging The whole community because of few toxic players.
That’s the thing. You’re not giving your opinion. You are outright dismissing every single suggestion you don’t like. And you are a tester. Developers are more likely to listen to you. That is why it’s a problem. You aren’t just “giving your opinion” you are basically telling everyone who suggests something you don’t like to ‘F off and die in a hole’.
I’ve seen your type many times in free-to-play video game communities. You come in, buy up every in-app or in-game purchase you can, then walk around like an over-entitled Karen. THAT is why I said those things, because it’s true.
I find it very ironic that when I suggest or say something, it’s me “calling for removing things that YOU don’t like” but when you do it it’s just “giving your opinion”. Sigh. Love hypocrites.
“and stop attacking people for not agreeing with you.”
That’s exactly what I was saying though. You are doing that exact same thing. Soo… what again, it’s fine when you do it but a problem when I do it? Right. Of course. There’s that entitlement showing again.
“But stop judging The whole community because of few toxic players.”
Never did I judge the whole community. I’ve encountered a fair good number of non-toxic players, even added a couple to my in-game friends list and played specifically with them. I would never judge the entire community because that’s not representitive. You are again twisting the fact that I said there was a hacker problem or toxicity problem so that you can just claim it’s me being butthurt and dismiss my suggestions.
If it’s you as well: … really? Flagging my posts you don’t like because you disagree with them? That’s just sad to be honest.
If it’s not you - sorry for accusing.
Belive me, we are all equally unheard by the devs.
I might even say that in some cases communication is much better now because of the pure numbers of OBT players posting things. There are still many things pointed out since the start of CAT that remained unchanged.
And again you are falsely assuming things about me - I did buy only premium BP to speed up my progression a bit. Nothing more. So only thing that is different between us is the fact that I was lucky and was randomly chosen to test the game during CAT - and to be clear - that sentence is not supposed to show that I’m better because I’m a tester. Because I’m not. I would just really appreciate if you would stop accusing me of being someone I’m not.
Maybe you didn’t ask for removal of the Assaults, but OP did. And that is exactly what I meant. I for example don’t like Conquests and Lone Figter mode - but I understand that some people may like it and you don’t see me going around asking for removing it. Instead I just don’t play it (LF) or wait for the preference matchmaking, that will allow me to play Invasions/Assaults more often.
I never attacked anyone. I gaved different opinion. You can’t see any personal attack in my statement - in contrast to yours. I simply advised to do the exact same thing I do - wait for the preference matchmaking. Different opinions are not attacks.
I said that it’s hard to coordinate with random players. You responded with:
That one sentence without your later answer sounded a bit like overjudging.
But I think that we can end that one aspect here - we both know that there are both really cooperative players in the community and there are also toxic ones.
Nope, I did not flag your posts - post that is about me is still there and there is no reason to flag it. It’s better to try to reach some kind of agreement. So no hard feelings.
The comments I made about you being dismissive and attacks were more in regards to our conversations in other suggestion topics, not here. As you may recall, this is not our first run-in so let’s not hide that fact. I think that is important to know for any 3rd party looking at this.
I really can’t be bothered with the suggestions anymore. I knew it was a bad idea going in. Devs, take it wherever you want to Idc anymore. Half the time it’s people either being dismissive / not actually reading your suggestions, the other half you just can’t get through to people and or misinterpreted [possibly intentionally] conversations. Only like 5% of suggestions will ever be implemented anyway thus making the time spent making and discussing them a waste.
I’m so sorry for trying to make the game better with suggestions, how dare I?
How dare I not be able to see into the future?! [In regards to the upcoming match-finding feature you talk about, which was not confirmed at all at the time of my first reply to this, nor my previous suggestions]. [Also in regards to my previous suggestions being impacted by the AI changes, which I had no idea were coming].
How dare I explain how my or other suggestions would be beneficial for the community as a whole [not just you or me] - which apparently is personal attacks and trying to get what I want removed?
Absolutely outragous.
Okay, so that one is explained. I found that post and now remember that we dissagreed there too (about artillery nerf and bronze orders). But again, there were no personal attacks from my side.
Dissagrement is fine, that’s the whole point of the discussion.
It was confirmed in Q&A that happend long before this thread. Here is the link: Q & A Stream Result - General Questions and answers about Enlisted by developer and Leader Game Designer - English speaking section / Mess Room - Enlisted
And here I was talking about your post in this particular thread when I mentioned “personal attacks”. Let me bring it back again:
The whole second part of your post was a personal attack on me and Wolfy706, full of false accusations. There was nothing here about explaining how your suggestion would be beneficial for all.
You did not speak about removing Assault, but OP did. My first post was answer to him.
Ver-sur-Mer assault is actually winable even if defenders are not braindead… all you need is having attackers that are not braindead… which is what I´m seeing in most of all assaults (originaly I wanted to type 50% but that would be too optimistic).
Ever since I started typing in chat strategies that should be obvious to anyone on start of battle I´m seeing a bit less losses. If those easy and basic instructions are ignored, then attackers deserve to lose. And of course if defenders are good, then they deserve to win… it is the same as invasions failing on 1-2 caps sometimes.
Those basic strategies that should be obvious to anyone are: build rally points closer to caps/flanks. Don´t attack one point at the same time, defend your captured points.
What I´m seeing almost EVERY time attackers lose is: people capping and then running away, people attacking one point while leaving the other without pressure, people running wide distances without bothering to build spawnpoints.
It is almost amusing…
Only thing that I can agree on is the Church in Ver-sur-Mer being too easy to defend (which again, unless attackers are braindead it is possible to use that against defending team) and defenders on some maps should have spawns a bit more further away to make job of attackers a bit easier.
Yeah completely agree. But honestly if there is a gamemode where you have to describe to people how to play it - chances are the gamemode isn’t working as intended and needs some sort of fixing.
Also I tried doing the same thing - giving tips in chat. Half the time I’m ignored, the other half I’m being called toxic and a dictator, wrong etc.
The problem is not in the gamemode, problem is in the people being (sorry for language) complete morons to be honest… I do not want to sound elitist, but it is what it is.
As I said previously, things you should be doing to win are so damn trivial, that I feel awkward for even having to describe them to anyone who is not playing assault for the first time… especially when it comes to typing it on start of every assault match.
Yeah. I completely agree. unfortunately these ‘morons’ seem to make up 50% of the forum suggestion group, and get offended when we say that. Sigh.
Oh boy what have becomed this post.
Either way, as a German player, I can see that Americans struggle quite a while all the time.
But, its all about “ apex together strong “.
And airplanes along side jumbos can win quite easily as unopposed counters.
But just like it has been said, if people do not use coordination, its somewhat bounded to fail. As no one can win by it self.
I can make 170+ kills on my own, but if have no capture points or even didn’t defended/ attacked once, it’s pretty much irrelevant.
I just had the other day a random complaining about the team. He was third with 80 kills, and 0.5 capture… and I was first with 69 kills ( 
haha funny number ) and 7.5 capture points.
Yet, he was complaining.
Despite this inconvenient and unpleasant encounter with this element, point is, kills can matter, but if no one plays The objective, you can’t complain.
Most of the people that I see complaining they get steamrolled bragging about kills left and right. That’s not the point. Kills can only works in TDM. Which it’s no where, because enlisted is a “”team based objective””.
Regarding the map, can be hard to capture, but not impossible.
To be honest I rarley play objective for one simple reason: SMGs every where.
I used to play the objective but it had consequences: when I opened the fridge, I saw SMG; I closed my eyes, I saw SMG. Thankfully therapist and pills helped.
I know that that’s what SMGs are meant to do but I felt like I was skipping one third of the game because of so heavy SMG focus.
And “you can do good with a rifle in CQC” isn’t an answer, I’m honestly a noob and I miss too many shots to make it a valid strategy. Not everybody is a tryhard, it may be shocking to some people.
you may be surprised that you can do the exact thing with lmgs but also have a guaranteed 1 hit down