PZ3N armor was never a problem

A weird change indeed, I was expecting the Fiat G.55 instead, but considering the FW’s broken state and terrible turn time, it does make sense in its own way.

What do they miss?
Stick ppsh41 with broken dispersion :white_check_mark:
Svt38 with fastest reload in its BR✅
KV-1✅
IL-2, LA-5 and PE-3✅
I guess Soviets would love to downtier DT29 to BR3 than DP27 to BR2, but they are just delusional.

Would have solved many issues, but more and more similar SMGs are getting downtiered.
Mas-38, M1A1 Thompson, Soumi kp26, Type1 smg are BR3 SMGs.

Just like nothing justifies KV-1 on BR3 but here we are.

They just got the
Strongest BR2 semi-auto rifle
Already had the best bolt-action rifle on BR2
Best BR2 SMG… Pps42 which got powercreeped by Urugan.
The best BR2 tank will be T28E, once Pz III N is gutted
Best BR2 rocket launcher lend leased to them
And lets not even talk about the P-40E which is better than the western counterpart.

Meanwhile Americans can look forward to being kicked in the nuts by always downtiered Japs and Germans will be inferior to Soviet BR2 even with BR3.
I think that everyone who isnt a Soviet or Japanese main has a good reason to dislike the changes.

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Its pretty simple. All BR 3 fighters are faster than the 190 A-8, can turn better, and have decent ordnance more suited for killing tanks. Not to mention 190 flight model sucks

G.55 would be a good br 3 but the difference is the g.55 can fight anything well…even BR 5

Just like other BR3 fighters
LA-5 and P51-D are also great fighter aircraft you can take to BR5, which I did and these performed well.

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Yeah im agreeing it should be BR 3…but im just saying thats why the 190 at br 3 makes sense…because its objectively worse than br 3 planes…didnt belong at br 5

Lost 4 rockets at br 3, got back 2

We lost rockets with CAS and gained with fighter though, so good JABO potential there.
IMO BR3 Germany needs bombs more than rockets, but still, DF better make that 37mm gun on the 110 G-2 worth something because BR4 competition is strong.

i was talking about BR2

tank with half load capacity reserved for killing low tier tanks and other half with useful dual purpose shells. how exactly it will perform in battle remains to be seen.

i didnt check exactly which FW was lowered to BR3, but if the gliding bug is still not fixed, it will be shit plane.

that is why soviet BR2 seal clubbers will be more effective at bullying newbies with OP smg, planes and AT weapons. tell me what is now exactly advantage of germany on BR2? mg(which are non meta)?

they should he been put on BR3 long time ago. not to mention uragan and possibly il-2.

it would be more fun if they replaced APCBC with HEAT. now you get tank with half of its load useful and half of it useless.

it is not only that they arent nerfed, but that they are getting new smg which should also be on BR3.

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Didnt think of that. Thats a really good point.

Id even make a suggestion if i was you

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really dont care about it either way. if anyone wants to make suggestion, feel free… not that anyone reads those. at least i cant remember when was the last time devs actually implemented suggestions from forum(at least english one).

Probably because it flies like a dude drving with 1 promille who didn’t sleep for 48 hours on the country road. And why bother fixing the flight models if they haven’t been fixed for two or three years now? At this point, it is a tradition and part of the game after all.

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Well that’s nice you somewhat care about the Soviet in allied futures new blood but Germany and Japan’s new blood can go to hell

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By moving the pz3n to br3 ?

Except theres already pz IV a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h and the rest of alphabets that can do exactly same and better?
Regardless can it, or not fight at BR3 I see little to no use for it there. Ironicly the KV1 is fine at BR3 because it wouldnt be “useful” at BR4 but apparently same cant be applied to pz3n.

With the broken flight models you could lower it to BR1 and technically any new player using it would be just buff to enemy since they cant do anything with it.

Another BR2 smg that is more than capable to play even at BR3

The argument over pps, bodyarmor, IL and what else has usually been the
“every faction has something better than the others”
Now what exactly does GE have at low br better than the others ? Mg13 ?

But these same newbies at BR2 will still meet the KV1 for example that is arguably by far harder to take out than pz3n.

Smgs, bodyarmor, IL and KV at BR3.
And nerfing germans at BR2 is somehow about balance.

Tell me about them doublestandards.

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Soviet and allied lives matter while ignoring Germany in Japan.

So overall it’s nothing more than a short-term gain instead of long-term which is why the Soviet and allies players keep burning out as fast as they do because whoever’s in charge can’t think of long-term strategies for this game

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Schürzen is not design to counter HEAT shell.
It’s for AT rifle and other small caliber AP shell which thin armor itself can change the direction of the projectiles.

But for early HEAT round, spaced armor may provide the ideal stand off distance for the charge, which improved HEAT shell performance.

Different from common misunderstanding, modern “cage” armor, defend HEAT shell by avoid triggering the HEAT shell fuze, not trigger the fuze early.
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In my experience:
It works well against Bazooka rockets, but panzerfaust will easily go through it, so its realistic.
Besides the Schürzen is supposed to fall of with enough damage dealt to it.

I was already using PZ3N Stalingrad at BR3 so honestly it’s irrelevant to me. But acting like it ever had amazing armor is a lie, it was only too powerful to the 37/45/50mm cannons or 57/75mm of americans that have no HE filler. T28E can easily take it out so it was always a skill issue and BT-7A is eating them for a breakfast.

it has just 2 rockets it’s useless. While you Soviets have 4 rocket spamming planes to pick from all across BR1-3. Plus you have ultra overpowered Yak-9K that pens King Tiger armor like it’s made of tissue paper despite it being BR3 plane. Talk about p2w.

Yeah but they are still weaker than anything that Soviets have at BR3, PPSh-41 has still broken dispersion with insane rof you are pretty much have BR5 Axis firepower at BR3 plus body armor to boost your effective hp to 15HP (probably rounded up from 14.85HP)

While your German BR2 have become completely unplayable and irrelevant as f2p players have nothing good to play with and main counter of soviets just got killed and increased in BR, that tank was only good thing that could keep up with endless Russian hordes of PPS-42/43/Winchester carriers.

Good luck fighting with slow firing and inaccurate MP40, no IAR can’t win matches or kill as many hordes of infantry as tanks, and MG13 is medicore huge dispersion and bouncing every 5 shots. While at same time Soviets got yet another BR3 in power smg at BR2.

They may as well stop pretending that they care about so called balance and give them PPS-41 box there. Also don’t forget about new Semi auto that just makes Germany irrelevant especially that puny bouncy Italian rifle just put it in a trash where it belongs.

it still can’t pen and reliably kill overperforming KV-1 so it’s useless addition when you have PZ4G/H/J

it’s only positive change for the Soviets and Americans so they could dunk on BR2 Germans all day long with closed eyes and playing with just one finger. I will be moving to Soviets and grinding Axis bots for next 50 hours till i get bored and leave the game again for a few months. We don’t even have a new map after 5 months as i’m not that excited about jets.

it’s fine when Soviets becomes best at every single metric, it’s bad when Germany gets just one solid advantage. Great job at killing the game. What’s next they are going to destroy for Germany? Take IAR bomb load and nerf MG13/Grb-39?

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The tank was never anything that special and the only thing good about it was it hold back some of the Soviet and allied nonsense but what we really needed was weapons at that VR but that’s unlikely to happen

Stop lying to yourself because we are never good in that department so once people like you or whatever is left of the Soviets and allies get their pound of flesh they’ll leave the game for next number of months again leaving the Soviets and allies weak and fragile because Gaijin UK has found no way to retain anyone who actually wants to play for the Soviets or the allies

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80mm of pen vs 115mm of pen sounds very impressive.

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Rockets are the best tool a plane had hand down - wiping infantry groups is much easier to do with rockets than with bombs or main guns.

Which the Bf 110 G2 and even the M410 are far better at and both of them have lower tiers despite having more rockets and the G2 having a 37mm cannon. And both of them dont fly like they drive on ice.