if you wish.
3 Likes
I want you try it in real match with all bots shooting at you. Grb39 and planes are only reliable way of destroying KV-1 at BR2. Your way and TNT are very suicidal methods.
Besides not a single American/Soviet of BR2 need to do those stunts to kill BR3 tanks of Germany, they can do it from distance with their tanks or rocket launcher, BR3 Germany tanks have ultra thin armors (PZ4G Stalingrad/F is an exception).
2 Likes
Alas, who can give me one? Apparently, most people only have the 45mm version.
2 Likes
Today, I played the Soviet BR1 with some beginners. We were completely overwhelmed by the 3N and lost our bearings. But I told the beginners that everything would be okay, and those opponents wonât have good days for long. Maybe this is the last bit of madness for the German BR2.
You should have played the moscow for few years.
The overwhelming majority of people donât have the BT-7A (F-32) with its long 76mm, theyâre stuck with BR 1 45mms and the BR2 low velocity 76mm neither of which can reliably penetrate the Pz.3N frontally and also deal actual damage (not merely orange a crewmember or module). In the meantime the Pz.3N can get two shots out, even three if fighting against an unupgraded T-28E.
Itâs realistically a BR 2.5 tank, but if the HEAT shell Gaijin gives it will be the high-penetration one, then itâll do just fine at BR 3. You still retain the excellent reload and anti-infantry potential, now with a shell that will pen T-34s and KV-1s.
And for BR 2 you still have the Pz.4E and F1 with the exact same gun as the 3N, only slightly less retard-proof armor for your newbie curbstomping.
3 Likes
good luck jogging to the KV-1 on the Quarry map.
6 Likes
except theres all the later alphabet IV tanks at BR3 that does the same but better.
Oddly for same reason KV1 for example wasnt thrown in the BR4 because it wouldnt have been useful there, but rather keep it at BR3 so it cant curbstomp BR2 and fair share of BR3 tanks.
And be âusefulâ but for what ever reason same cant be applied to pz3n?
Idk, I just had to try pz3n at BR2 since according to this topic its more OP than M1 abrams. I died to that steam powered soviet bi-plane with rockets.
Which also is quite âretard proofâ as point and click with RBS82 is quite alot easier than learning the bombing.
And generally, ever since the dawn of this game all this, OP that OP This shit has been justified with meh muh histori or by âevery faction has strenghts and weaknessâ
And now, since the âtank strenghtâ of germuts at BR2 is taken away what exactly is the strenght of germuts compared to other factions ?
Please say Mg13
1 Like
Maybe.
But on the other side of the spectrum, it can also be said that only pathetic minmaxers were upset (especially in red forum) at the 3N being br2 
itâs just more of the same. mains want their chosen faction stronger, and their opponents weakerâŚ
9 Likes
So when are we going to uptier all soviet rocket planes? They can run 3 of them in same lineup. What about all 76mm soviet tanks to BR3? As they are too strong for BR2. What about PPS-42/43/Uragan to BR3? Single solider with body armor need to get uptiered by one tier. To not disrupt flow of the game.
Only pathetic minmaxers are upset about about all overpowered Soviet unlocks going up.
4 Likes
Eh I more cared how it was a mid war design that was making new players lives hell, The Pz4 F1 certainly, and realistically the E too should get a HEAT shell to crank up their stats a little bit.
The Pz3N is going to still do very well at BR3, I personally will be using it as my main BR3 tank for the germans with the new BR3 MM rework.
Personally its my opinion that the only people who are outraged about the 3N going up are those who got dopamine by wiping squads of new players.
Saying all that, I do think german BR2 needs a little love in its life, I think a nice aircraft at BR2 could go a long way, maybe something to match the soviet Su-2 which is completely broken. I mean people always have hissy fits about rockets on here, which I just dont get because they do no where near as much damage as bombs, especially those planes with loads of medium single drops>
This could be a good shout for a nice BR2 german attacker with 2 individual drop 250kg bombs. You know to help balance things out a little.
Other Alternatives could include the heavy fighter variants of the Ju 88 or Do 217, carrying 10 or 8 50kg bombs respectively. These could play nicely as a competitors to the P-38 or IL-2âs.
1 Like
Hit from the side - instant disqualified opinion.
wrong i was hitting them from the front one after another you can check my replay look for matches with my nickname and Moscow campaign few hours ago
3 Likes
Itâs not much that the 3N got uptiered that is weird.
Itâs more that those who whined against it, are mostly mains, from the other forum⌠and that the t28E, an excellent machine seriously comparable in use to the 3N, of course remains br2. Go figure.
Itâs the constant double standards that is tiresome. Mains who want other factions nerfed⌠to feel that dopamine rush you mentioned themselvesâŚ
7 Likes
i find more problem that germany is getting nerfed, while simultaneously buffing soviets at same BR.
while soviets keep having great advantage in smg, AT weapons, planes and at same time have body armor i am perfectly fine with pz3n staying at BR2.
14 Likes
100% this.
I do love the changes to the 3N but also hate how hard it hits BR 2.
The only thing BR 2 got to compensate was the soumi but that one is an old gold order so it isnt really that impactfull.
2 Likes
How exactly?
BR3 Germans are going to get huge buff. New stronger Pz III N, FW lowered from BR5 to BR3 (I really donât understand this change at all, I preferred this rocket variant over the other TT one.), several weapons are going to put to BR3.
What did get sovs for BR3?
BR2 seal clubbers wonât be able to bully newbies with clearly overperforming tanks for its BR. What a tragedy.
Yes, PPS 42/43 could be potentially put to BR3 as well.
But that doesnât justify PZ III N staying on BR2.
Plus on BR3 with the better heats and not being able to meet BR5. This tank will be far more fun anyway, and newbies wonât be able to encounter it with BR1 lineups.
Itâs literally an extremely positive change.
But somehow few individuals have managed to turn it into some pseudo main vs main war. Since they are butt hurt that BR2 sovs werenât nerfed.
Itâs so extremely pathetic. Itâs not even about proper balance.
6 Likes
Id say its neutral. BR 3 could already use panzer 3N (im interested to try upgraded HEAT, HEAT can be funny in warthunder)
They did finally get a fighter that can CAS so thats good, very happy about the 190 A-8 change
But they also lost the bf110 g2. Id say over all neutral. Alot of give and take
Yak 9t
I mean what else could they get? Their BR 3 is a super fun Deck that has pretty much the pick of the litter in every category.
1 Like
I think BR3 will be okay with F2s. On this BR3 the Germans certainly had no shortage of good attackers.
Plus G2 from my perspective was simply superior to BR4 me 410. So I think this change was quite reasonable as well.
1 Like
There is no doubt. Me410 doesnt really have anything going for itâŚ
Its a bit of a nothing upgrade. I just havent suggested anything yet because there are other nothing planes at br 4/5 and ive posted too much already
2 Likes