no
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I already explained all of that. You ignored it.
Go back and read it, Iām not resurrecting an argument from a different thread.
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i didnt ignore it, you just didnt explain it. i thought you were the forum recoil expert.
- blaming one shot recoil on ROF is absolutely stupid.
- pps42 and pps43 have same barrel, just that one is inch shorter. please explain to me how same barrel with different lengths affects muzzle velocity with same cartridge?
also here are the differences between pps42 and pps43
PPS-43 (ŠŠŠ” Š¾Š±Ń.1943 Š³.) Towards the middle of 1943 the modernized PPS-43 entered production; efforts were made to improve manufacturing and safety.[1] The ventilated heat shield was integrated with the upper receiver cover, both the barrel and shoulder stock were shortened, the stockās locking mechanism was simplified, the casing ejector was moved to the head of the recoil spring guide rod, the magazine well angle was increased in the receiver in order to enhance feeding reliability and the safety was improved to block the trigger and lock the bolt in either the open or closed positions.[1] PPS-43s were seldom captured by the Germans, unlike the PPS-42, as the Red Army was no longer on the defensive in 1943.
maybe you are saying that heat shield is responsible for bigger recoil? or maybe casing ejector? or magazine well angle?
You did ignore it. On top of ignored me saying I am not resurrecting an argument.
nope. you ignored my point cause you couldnt make counter argument that actually proves that you are right and that is why you are deflecting the argument. if both weapons had same one shot recoil, you would be in the right that pps43 would have 16% higher recoil cause of 16% higher ROF. my question that you didnt answer is why is there such difference between one shot recoils in the game if you claim that weapon performance was actually modeled by real weapons?
here are the values of recoil for pps42 and pps43 in the game
so pps43 has 50% higher ONE SHOT vertical recoil and 100% higher horizontal ONE SHOT recoil despite pps43 being slightly heavier and having shorter barrel that would actually reduce muzzle velocity.
maybe it was you who actually doesnt know how the recoil works?
coughs in M1 Carbine
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I already explained this in your DMs, and youāre ignoring it. Reread it.
My guy, you already have proven yourself to have ignored me saying I am not resurrecting an argument, whose to say you didnāt ignore me in PRIVATE?
No, because then the soviets will only have 1 SMG at BR 2.
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They already have just 1 smg at tier 1. Problem is that there arenāt many SMGs to put in the ussr tree because they didnāt take them from 30 different countries. And the ones they do have often have big firerates and big magazines, so they go at higher tier no matter what.
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It quite often is in smg category.
And what exactly is this long range where the Mp40 with its 0.2 more dmg is notably better ?
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probably same long range that vickers is extremely more accurate than mg42.
it is always same strawman arguments for weapons on not their intended use. had same conversation about superiority of vickers accuracy over mg42 on long range cause someone gave HS while one tapping on 150m, which is also perfectly doable with mg42 with basically same accuracy (cause anything that vickers will hit, mg42 will also hit if aimed correctly). also MG role isnt sniper so this wasnt even relevant for discussion.
and here strawman argument is that pps43 is worse than mp40 cause it is worse on long range, despite showing superior performance in CQC and short range fights which are bread and butter of any smg.
Most likely due to less dispersion
Nor cqc so 
Pretty much
10% difference in dispersion basically makes no difference on accuracy. out of 100 hits you will get 1 or 2 hits that are few cm apart from the hits of MG with less dispersion. dispersion is not offset so that bullets will always be e.g. 40cm off the target, so few % of difference doesnt make any meaningful difference.
true, but cause of paratroopers it is being used like cqc weapon, so it is somewhat relevant. problem stems from game treating MG like AR with movement penalty and somewhat higher recoil and not like suppressive weapon.
never was much of mathematician but im quite sure 10% from 100 is more than 1 or 2.
Could have sworn the class is irrelevant when this was discussed.
But sure, exception being theres little to no reason use mg42 as theres better alternatives such as fg42.
I think the movement penalties were less for vickers too than mg42.
Hence, 100 belt would make the mg42 even remotely considerable choice.
With 50 it really isnt.
The slightly higher damage of the mp40 does give it a minor advantage in cqc: a fully upgraded mp40 can kill a vitality soldier in as few as two shots within ~15m. The pps43 needs an extra bullet to do the same.
Really they are very comparable weapons that cater to slightly different play styles.
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this is not offset that strictly moves every shot e.g. 40 cm from center of target on 100m. it is statistical distribution that shots will end up in that 40cm circle on 100m. most shot will end up in the center, with outliers ending up on the ends of the possible dispersion.
that is why you get dispersion for 2 guns like this
one gun has 0.36 dispersion and other has 0.41 dispersion. can you tell from the picture which gun has which dispersion? both are similarly inaccurate on 40m distance.
true, but even without class being discussed, it will still be used in cqc cause of the design of the game that forces confrontations inside caps.
it has same -50% sprint speed just like mg42. you are thinking of BAR.
btw look at this video from @Forlorn_Squad
germany suffers cause of bad MG-sā¦ they are totally shitā¦
No not really, since I keep getting quite different results depending how many times you switch the gun stars.
And hence, the other gun Mg42 in this exact case aint used at all.
right there, under movement dispersion.
What am I looking ? Killing AI ?
If I post old video of good ol times when AI didnt consider u as threat if u had melee and could pretty much clear the entire room with nothing but knife, does that make knife a viable weapon ?
Irony here is that this isnt exactly even question of suffering, nor its not asking to buff KT2 even more because currently its not good enough.
No, the question was to make Mg42 a viable option to choose.
Still, even with its 100 belt it would be inferior to Fg42, stg44 or even kiraly.
It would not magically turn into OP CQC smg.
But apparently even such requests are too much of ally mains
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Personally I can see me picking the beretta over a Kiraly on a mid range mapā¦
You really believe it should get lower BR? Man you canāt be serious.
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Soooo soviets would just have zero SMGs at T1-2 while Germany has T1 and T2 smgs?
Yeah, A whole team of mosins vs a team of M38 20 rounders, FNAB-43s
No.
Edit:
PPD-34 vs
MP-28, MP-38(O), M38 (20 rounder), MP-3008, OVP M1918, FNAB-43,
The soviets are limited in SMGs as is.
PPS-43 is very questionable at T2 I can agree, MP-40, and 38 is also a bit annoying at T2.
Unless we can add more Soviet SMGs, Thereās not much choice.
PPS-42 shouldnāt be moved, Itās perfectly fine at T2.
PPS-43 is basically a higher rate of fire PPS-42, Not insane but can def be spooky at range.
MP-40 is strong, Mid and close range. same for the MP-38.
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