Panzer IV H should be in BR3

Game discussion Germany and Italy
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A lot? Last ditch yellow Pz IV J from 1944 is literally in every match from Moscow to Tunisia and Stalingrad with Ardennes.

It’s the same argument as with PPSh-41, MKB, MP-43, T-34-85 with 4 crew – no one will pick them over AS, AF (even though personally I always will), STG or T-34-85 with 5 crew/IS series.
Or why would anyone pick Daimler car if you can have Crusader in the same Low BR queue?

That’s only veteran player perspective.

But new players still need to go through them before they will have Tigers and Panthers.

In any case we would have 2 long barrel Pz IV variants on BR3: F2 and G (idc if they make it publicly available), and on BR4: J and H.

Plus that would eliminate the abomination that is 1944 Pz IV J from early war engagements, and that’s the biggest argument.

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Was meant to write Pz 4 H.

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Even if panzer 4j would be removed we would still have pumas and volksturm guns in moscow

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One step at a time.

VS need to be put to BR4 and be cheap for roleplayers for sure.

Puma could be changed to 75mm version and also go to BR4, be w mobile agile alternative.

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Wouldnt work. The 75mm puma would be way too bad for br 4. It has the same gun as panzer 3n and it is open top with weak armour

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i really dislike Panzer IV J in most early war/low BR maps but i think the solution is adding more maps or a complete BR overhaul than just moving all “time traveling stuff” to high BR games.

The whole system is a mess, we have Normandie and “Bulge” at BR 1-2, BR 3 stuff end up at early war maps because of downtiers (Germans are the most popular BR3 choice so they get the most downtiers), the eastern front lacks a mid war campaign so Stalingrad need to be used as such, no exclusive high tier campaign for western allies and huge lacks of maps for the pacific, Italians have no Italian uniform the 90% of times.

I guess they still have the beta excuse, but they have a lot of work to do, so for now i can stand early dunkelgrau tanks in Normandie and Hurten. We need to demand more campaigns and maps BR changes.

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Your reason is nonsense Nobody uses this vehicle in Br4.

That’s why you have the Panther in BR4 This tank should be moved to BR3. Germany has enough BR4 BR5 tanks to be able to move this one to BR3.

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That mess is pretty much because of population.

If the change to BR -+0 was made, then maps could be narrowed down properly.

Right now its just broad spectrum.

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“Nobody uses” is not an argument.

Nobody uses MKB 42 or MP 43 because there is STG 44 as well. So? They need to be BR3? No.

The main argument is removing late war yellow tank from early war engagements anyway.

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You can’t compare a rifle against a tank.
I can kill an STG44 user with the MKB
Why doesn’t anyone use the MKB 42 or MP 43?
The mkb 42 came with the engineer squad, so many players use it in tier 4
But whoever uses the Pz 4 instead of the Phantom does know that they are going to fight against other tier Vs.
This tank should be moved to BR 3, it is the same Pz 4 j tank with better turret performance.
The Germans have 4 wonderful tanks in BR4
This tank would fit very well in BR3

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Because STG is better.

Same, whoever used PPD 40 knows they will be fighting against STG.

F2 and G - BR3 and used throughout almost all war.
J and H - BR4 and only for late war.

Perfectly fitting.

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should we consider 1943 late war? H had almost no difference with late G, so if italy and kursk ends up being BR 3 unless they add a late G with Schurzen and L48 the ausf H need to be at that BR.

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also dont forget the skirts.

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Late G used both Schurzen and L/48, Schurzens were tested between March to May 1943 and the L/48 started to be used in production in April. Ausf. H production started around June, so Panzer IV with side skirts around Kursk or Italy could be either G with L/43, G with L/48 or newly made H.

What i am not sure is about Zimmerit, i know by the start of H production it would have been applied in the factory, but the paste was also sent to combat units to apply it to their vehicles in the field but i have never seen people talking about G with Zimmerit.

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It’s very difficult to consider anything with Enlisted’s system of VS weapons on low BR and AF on high BR, but for Pz IV family it’s quite possible:

  • BR 2: short barrel Pz IV (early war)
  • BR 3: long barrel Pz IV without skirts (all war)
  • BR 4: long barrel Pz IV with skirts (late war)
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Heres my take on this Excuse for a matchmaking system
If all my gear is BR1
And i wanna lets say play some ussr
I SHOULDNT HAVE TO FIGHT AGAINST BF110
PANZER 4 J OR ANYTHING FROM BR 3
THERE IS NO POINT IN HAVING BR 1 IF IT CHANGES NOTHING
THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY!

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Skirts were added to protect from ATRs i think
And maybe some certain shells

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Its funny because I don’t understand why anyone thinks this tank should be BR 4. The only arguments AGAINST it being put down to 3 are nonsensical and sound like salty whiny anti-germany players. It literally has no business being BR4, it does nothing in BR4!

I agree BR1 and 3 shouldn’t be matched in the current system but BR3 shouldn’t be matched against 5 either. They really need to either break it down further and add a BR6 that way it can be BR1-2 BR 2-3 BR 3-4 BR 4-5 and BR 5-6 unlike the current BR 1-3 and BR 3-5 nonsense we have now. Theres simply too much of a gap in tech right now.

I currently only play exclusively as a BR2 Germany because any time I put some BR3 gear in my lineup I end up facing BR5 players that I don’t have the tech tree unlocked for since I only recently returned to the game and BR4-5 feels like absolute cancer with the plane spam in an infantry game that has extremely limited AA options… Yet they give every single infantry squad member the ability to have an anti tank explosive pack AND Anti tank mine…and almost every squad can have a dedicated AT slot in it, lol.

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there are reasons why it should be and why it shouldnt be in BR3 and BR4. also idk why you say it does nothing in BR4 when it can frontally pen all US and soviet tanks frontally from BR1 to BR5.

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front pen in the tiniest machine gun port… not everyone that plays this game has memorized all weak points on tanks… get real. This tank sucks against even other BR3 tanks and dies extremely easy.