Panzer IV H should be in BR3

I admit that everyone’s experience can be different, but I personally don’t feel how much inconvenience the turret speed brings to the anti infantry. Since the 75mm HE is powerful enough, you only need to shoot roughly at the ground or walls around the infantry to kill them, without the need for accurate hits. Moreover, you can also rotate the vehicle body simultaneously.

Ultimately, it doesn’t matter whether the main tank in BR3 is F2/G/H/J. L/48 only increased the insignificant penetration by about 8mm compared to L/43. For BR3 tanks, they all have the ability to steadily penetrate each other from the front. Moreover, T-34(1941) and Shermans have faster turret rotation speeds. That is to say, whoever discovers first and fires first wins. In my opinion, F2/G/H/J are almost the same, unlike Panther A, which has a significant improvement.

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If this is directed at me it is comical. OP wants to down-tier a tank because he feels it’s nearly equal to another… that is arguably under-tiered. So… there was no actual solid argument and I offered an alternative (which was equally strong in terms of logic). I play all factions and there is none that is “my own.” I just am tired of streams of PzIVJ with no end in low BR when I am low BR USA. I use join any team very often but lately it puts me in high BR Japan almost always and that’s boring.

It would be just as easy to argue that people don’t have solid arguments anymore and that they just want to keep their own factions stronger (based on OP).

Meanwhile the russians laughing in KV1

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*BR IV KV1

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Normal KV1?the BR3 version is basically a russian jumbo,that is that it has a hard time being penned even by enemy BR3 tanks and a gun capable of providing massive infantry support while preforming well against other tanks.

Sounds logic

It is an early war tank (1939- 1943). It is obvious it should stay in low BR.

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Fedorov is ww1 gun. Should it be in low br aswell? Also avs 36 and avt 40 are also early war guns with ppsh drum

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So age is how we sort BR,not by preformance?then by that logic the federov is BR1. The KV1 has a higher preformance than other nations BR3 veichles because its armour is too thick to penetrate most spots,whereas other BR3 veichles can fight eachother somewhat normally without having to aim for pixels.it should go BR4 as the infantry support version of the KV1,because the preformance is improved of the jumbos,and the KV1 ZiS is the upgraded version,so this would match the Pz4H and panther, in BR4 tanks.the KV1 is underteired,it has massive HE shells on a fairly fast firing cannon with tons of armour, using this tank is a no brainer.

It is a sort of compromise between historical authentism and a balance.

As of armor of KV-1 - it can be damaged by other BR 2- 3 vehicles - Panzer III J1, StuG III, Panzer IV and Dicker Max and also Panzerfausts.

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It can be penetrated by those,but most have a hard time doing so with the thick front armour.

Why ? It explodes in one shot:

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I think Soviet tanks have simply terrible hitboxes, only like 20 % of the total frontal turret armor can be reliably penetrated, which is hard to hit and then also often makes the gun breach absorb all the damage.

45mm of armor that often makes L60 50mm guns with 100mm of penetration power deal no damage is kinda stupid, and 75mm of armor that makes L48 75mm guns with 140mm of penetration is equally stupid.

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I did say most,but the fact you have to bring a TD so limited as the StuG to be able to take out the one tank with a TT solution is not OK

Every Germqn BR3 tank have the same gun as the StuG. Also, the StuG gun is basically the same as the PaK 40 build by engineer on BR1.

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Why ? StuG is not limited, is in tech-tree and use the same gun as Panzer IV J.

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The Pz.4J is a simplified version of the Pz.4H tank. In other words, it has only disadvantages compared to the H.
The biggest disadvantage of the J is the turret rotation speed, which is slow because the J uses a simplified, hand-cranked handle to rotate the turret.

Well, without that, I don’t think we need to feed the Germans any more.

The real issue isn’t the BR but matchmaking imbalance.
Its not just a BR3 tank facing off vs BR1 tank, its BR1 TEAM with no gear and no experience facing off a bunch of meta BR3 squad sweatlords

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My 9 man squad literally all died in one single hit from a m4a3 (105)

Soldiers usually die to he shells. Especially if the shell is 105mm

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