My OCD can’t handle having to use a Bren for the American squads in BR II and having to use a BAR in the British squads for BR III. (Same with the Garand, but, oh well.) I don’t think we need 3 machine guns for each BR. You could totally downtier the first BAR and uptier the last Bren.
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There’s no logic to it…
and if you think about it, the bar is in its place, recently the m1a1 was lowered by 2 br… and this is a very strong buff 2 br
And then there’s the bar…
To put it mildly, the Germans are already not sweet, it’s better to trample them into the ground, my advice to you is to play 3 br USA on health, it’s quite strong)
(but still weaker than 3 br of the USSR)
well, if there is a direct desire to play for 2 br… I can advise you to retrain him as a grenadier)
Either compromise your principles and squeeze out the bren, it’s quite tolerable for 2 br
For 3 br, British troops can be given Lewis and for 5 br, Vickers k
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unfortunately you’ll have to be content with british only mg squads at br2 due to a certain category of faction mains
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I like having two Brens as alternatives, depending if I want to make a early war or late war loadout.
I got a British MG suggestion in the works, it’ll have something for all BRs do not worry, and with no prototypes at that!
I am partial to having the M1918 in BR 2, it’s currently a little too good to be there but nothing some stat changes won’t fix, though I think maybe adding the Chauchat could also work (nothing saying we can’t do both). They had stoped using it after 1922, but we could still add it under the pretext of “it’s for the Free French”, and then the US would have the wepaon the US used before the BAR which is a nice bit of progression (or regression, I suppose), IMO.
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BAR at BR2? then better get ready for Mkb42 at BR2
making the mkb42 a machine gun a bold choice otherwise
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Move 1 bar to br2, but remove most of the “automatic rifle” features, so that means remove the faster ads speed, lower run speed and overall make it more in line with other br2 lmgs. I don’t understand people saying “the bar won’t fit at br2”, ok then nerf it into br2, we have 3 br3 bars you’re not loosing out on anything if we nerf 1.
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I could honestly see it being a counterpart to RPK/Lahti if its rate of fire is to be lowered (need to check how low would be alright for a BAR) and its recoil increased to the level of those two
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Does that mean we can also move some panzer 4s down aswell? We have 2 of them in BR 2 and 4 of them in BR 3…
I am sure that with such great reasoning not a single faction could complain about such a change.
So to avoid having 3 similar tanks in same BR we would only need to move the F2 and G variant into BR 2 and the E and F1 into BR 1. I am sure that this would cause not a single problem at all…
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Yep, that’s what I had in mind.
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I think it’s obvious for anyone with a functional brain that these weapons would have to undergo stat changes.
But I think it’s fair suggestion. I don’t see what’s the point of having 2 Brens that plays exactly the same way on exactly same BR.
Same goes for BARs.
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Wikipedia say the bren has a rpm of about 520 and the type 96 (jap br3 lmg) has a rpm of about 550. Enlisted has been know to alter fire rates beyond real life numbers and with the right buffs I think 1 bren could be uptired comfortably to br3 serving a kinda bar/ type 96 role.
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They could just change the damage numbers, give you faster walk speed with it, faster aim speed, maybe decreased recoil. Then the Bren MKII would be in the same space as the Browning M1918A2. Obviously, one should be better at something, maybe the BAR would have less movement dispersion, as that’s how it was used in real life.
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Well but then DF would have to remove whatever makes the BAR feel like a BAR in a complete overhaul just so to make it balanced.
But at that point they might just create a new dedicated BR 2 MG which would actually be more faithfull to its real world counterpart and not some wierd weapon bastardisation that DF made up.
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Oh yes the infamous “light as a feather” bar, if your read what ww2 veterans who had to use the bar say, they often don’t brag about how nifty and light it was, they often say how much of a burden it was to carry. The current bar is a bastardised version of it’s real life counterpart.
The bar is iconic and was widely used, there’s no need to add a niche or prototype weapon when we have 3 bars at br3.
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But the US didn’t use much besides the BAR as an LMG, so making a new one for BR II wouldn’t work. My original issue was that you have a faction, the Allies which is primarily made up of two sub-factions, the US and the British, but you have one tier for only British and one tier only for the US, instead of having mixed tiers, like in the SMG department, for example. You have a Sten and the Grease Gun, you have the Lanchester and the Grease Gun A2 or the Thompson.
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beautifully put, people forget this all too often, the “USA” faction isn’t just the USA, and we really should be able to have sub-faction equivelants of as many weapon types as possible on each BR.
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So didnt the base BAR M1918 start out as to beeing pretty light but was made more heavy and clunky which each iteration of upgrades applied to it?
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I think even the heaviest BAR was lighter than the lightest Bren. But with the right stat changes, the first BR III BAR could work as the last BR II machine gun and the last BR II Bren could work as the first BR III machine gun.
The original bar was designed to be used on the move with “walking fire” but it wasn’t ever as light as a standard rifle. Anyways the whole sprint factor mechanic in Enlisted is not always consistent for example in Enlisted the bren MK1 weighs 8.3kg whilst the bar m1918A2 weighs 8.8kg and yet the bren gets no speed factor increases despite weighing less. So it would be possible to have a br2 bar with no sprint factor and a br3 bren with sprint factor according to Enlisted’s rules.
And to actually respond to your statement, you’re right the original bar was lighter and then it became heavier with more upgrades.
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