Okay lets get controversial again: MG34 for BR2

Yes I know crazy stuff - but if we really want to keep Germanies BR2 SMGs weak, we could also go the extra mile and overbuff Germanies MGs instead.

Honestly a PPS43 will be universally more effective than a MG34 anyways - but this will shift Germanies playstyle significantly, making them focus on support weapons instead of SMGs.

Germany has very good bolt action rifles, combined with a MG superiority, buffing their SMGs will not be necessary.

Also, why aren’t there BR1 MGs? MGs are generally speaking less powerful than SMGs, shouldn’t new players get the option to carry MGs right away?

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Thanks for nothing when bipod still cursed and the new BP AT rifle is useless.

So overall bring a massive hammer to the Soviets and the allies or buff Germany and Japan to be at fighting standards so the Soviet and allies can grow a spine.

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Ask a russian main and they will tell you that axis smgs are on par and the only thing that needs to be buffed is the madsen because it is so bad (because it hadnt been buffed again and again in each update).

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God I remember all that nonsense and that’s not even counting the body armor nonsense.

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It’s an interesting idea, but no, it’ll still be a problem and people will start asking for new SMGs again. So no.(And don’t forget the Americans, the M1A1 is not a great weapon and is awful at medium and long ranges)

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If they buff the m38/42 to 550 rpm or 600rpm the German disadvantage in BR II will be fixed. That is literally all they need to do. And then maybe buff the FNAB to 830 rpm and make it a BR IV SMG. Case closed.

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well, I would argue that MGs would still be used in 80% of the total combat without the bipod - which is why I took MG34 as an example … it CAN defeat SMGs while still having dispersion, movement speed penalties and less MG gunners in a squad as a drawback.

So MG34 wouldn’t be crazy at all.

I think 600 rpm is a slower rate of fire, everything close to 500 is unusable in most cases.

why should Germany be okay with a 600 rpm SMG when Soviet get 800 rpm?

I think in general the game has issues giving slow rate of fire SMGs reasons to be used.
Slow rate of fire guns need better dispersion than fast rate of fire guns, otherwise fast rate of fire guns will be better than slow rpm gun even at longer range.

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Why 600 rpm is fine for a BR II German SMG:

  • On par with PPS 42
  • Will have nicer recoil impulse
  • Holds 5 - 8 additional rounds
  • Still better than what it was
  • Don’t want allies complaining about imbalance
  • Darkflow may not be as stingy to buff it
  • Anything above 600 rpm kinda becomes unusable
  • Hits harder than Soviet SMGs
  • Is more accurate
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In Moscow and Tunisia where distance matters So unless we’re hugging our bipod it’s kind of irrelevant while we’re being murdered by BR 3 submachine guns

The Soviets are the problem here but they are the golden child and will never touch the golden child so we must burn the entire house down

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And here’s body armour to laugh in your face

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Nope
MG34 is better than BR4 MG42 imo. It has no place on BR2.

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So do a lot of things in this game for the Soviets or the allies but don’t worry Germany is the one who is breaking the camel’s back here.

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mg34 itself is overpowered for br2, but if gaijin wants to play it smart then can keep german rifles & smgs weak and give them this OP mg, also downrank some mgs to br1 to give germany the real life identity of MG-centered infantry thats conversely weak on the rifle/smg department.

to prevent whining & thousands of spam comments the ingame descriptions also need to be adjusted to specifically point out this flavour & balance decision, to communicate it in an idiot proof way.

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I mean, most SMGs on BR2 are realistically BR3 when compared to other weapons.
PPS-42, PPS-43, Uragan, Type 2a, Thompson M1A1, Lanchester are on par with MG34/DP-27/BAR or any BR3-4 semi-auto rifles.
The devs even knew this, they originally planned to have Lanchester and even MP40 on BR3, while M1A1 Tommy was BR4!
But these were moved down because Pps and Type2a were only BR2, while in reality those SMGs should have been moved up in BRs. But devs were too lazy to add new weapons for these factions.

Results: every top scoring player in low BR is either cycling tanks or assaulter squads.
Because BR2 LMGs and bolt-action rifles just dont stand a chance.

People just love spamming automatic weapons and its hard to balance this when to this very day many people believe that the solution to making BR5 SMG “interesting” is to move them down to BR4 rather than buff them up or better yet nerf the over powered BR5 weapons.

Because lets be honest, SF rifles like FG42, T20 AVT-40 could be nerfed by limiting their damage to 13.4 thus making them always 2 shots to kill, and ARs like StG44 and AS-44 can be nerfed just by reducing their fire rate to their realistic values.

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True, but due to rather major drawbacks of them such as speed I hardly see this as fix.

You mean like soviet stalinium BR5 guns ? Slightly less rof than GE counterparts but at best twice less dispersion.
Doubt it works otherway around, GE was known for mass producing poor quality, oh wait.

Stop saying the quiet part out loud or a strong hand may appear and pull you into the void.

Spoiler

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Well, if the MG-34 goes to level two, then the BAR 1918A2 should go as well. :rofl: I do however believe at least the base BAR should go level two, but I think the MG-34 is a bit much for current level two.

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No, I don’t think that MG 34 belong on BR II - would be to strong. For me MG 13 is a good machine gun on BR II.

OFC it is. I want the real Beretta M38/42 and the FNAB-43 rate of fire :slight_smile:

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