current HEAT is Hl.Gr 38 B with 80mm of pen, which should instead move to short barreled Panzer IV tanks, while Panzer III N should move to later war BRs and get the better Hl.Gr 38 C round.
Short barreled Panzer IV should see more action, and is completely overshadowed by Panzer III N - its kinda weird seing these late war tanks in Moscow.
i’m not sure that would be ideal or the best idea.
yes, the panzer III N is alright, but not really worthly of being a br III.
which inevitably, people will choose the panzer IV H & J over the III N if forced to be a br III vehicle.
hence, you would just shift the position and make obscure the panzer III N instead of a panzer IV E/F1.
artificially force people to use other thing just because are better is not a good thing.
but nerfing or missplacing an over used vehicle / gun is not the way either.
( IMO )
not to mention, the panzer III N is also a br III counter while being br II.
it would lose it’s purpose if upranked.
well wait a moment, 115mm of pen would give Panzer III N equal fighting power in BR3 as Panzer IV J - however it would have much better anti infantry power.
Also there is pretty much ONLY Panzer IV J as an option in Br3 right now, this would make people choose between better anti armor power against Higher BR - or better infantry support power.
I can actually see myself picking Panzer III N in BR3 - IF it gets enough HEAT rounds.
well BR2 Panzer IV would then get the current HEATs and pretty much fill this gap.
Also I still have hope that STUG F magically sees a BR2 placement - considering that Marder is rather similar … or actually Marder has a MG, while STUG doesnt… well personally I rank having NO MG vs being open top in favour of the MG, but that is a very personal thing to prefer.
More easily move a br 3 tank
( like the pz IV f2 ) To br 2 since all pz IV are glass cannons and easily vulnerable to br 2 at and sometimes Even Br1 stuff
well, Panzer IV F2 has rather little difference in power to Panzer IV J, I dont see how this would be fair.
Honestly id be fine with this, its a real shame the pz4 E gets so overshadowed by the pz3 N, like at least folder the pz3 N behind the pz4 so there is some point in researching that folder.
But yes the Stug 3 should be a BR2 tank I think, would be a great counter in uptiers while also not exactly being a meta defining vehicle due its casemate nature and lack of a MG.
Honestly I think the balance of vehicles does need a reproach to most nations vehicles.
mmmm better not, i just noticed that kv-1 armor is made of so much stalinium that can easily resist shoots from long 75mm until we got phanter lol
well thats a KV1 issue to be fair…
They could move the normal III N up to BR3 with 50/50 split HEAT/AP and keep the Stalingrad III N at BR2 with 50/50 split with the worse HEAT
I would go the other way. Give the Panzer IV 75 short tanks the good HEAT…then they are worthy of picking over the 3N
IMO everyone (except maybe Japan, as in I havent tried) has an incredibly Destructive BR 2 tank, I am rather sick of hearing about Panzer 3 this, Panzer 3 that. Everyone has access to an infantry stomping machine at BR 2
I mean the Ho-I is a very good tank for Japan, I would really recommend you play them a bit.
Though tbf the Pz3 N does really stand out among its competition as a truly terrifying vehicle.
The Crusaders HE shell doesnt even come near it, the Lee/Grant is fun but its a far more clunky vehicle that is hard to treat as anything other than a casemate often.
The T-50 has none of the anti personal ability of the Pz3 N but does maintain a similar level of mobility though a more limited range of view(Because for some reason the commander cant turn out). While the T-28E (Less said about the T-28 the better) is also very good, for a while now its MGs havent worked, while it has none of the manoeuvrability it does make up for that with its AT ability.
I suppose what I’m trying to say here is that the Pz3 N issue is that, its a jack of all trades but also a master of all trades, its the flat out best tank at its BR, more than capable of facing anything that may come its way. From its reload which makes the tank perform like a semi automatic, to its impressive armour considering the frame and manoeuvrability it retains.
For this reason I think swapping it and the Stug may be a nice idea then, it can still shine in a more niche role at BR3 (since its still better than the Pz4 J at AP work). While also allowing arguably one of the most iconic vehicles of the war to shine in its own way in BR 2 as a counter to the heavier and more troublesome BR3 tanks that can be a bit much to deal with at times.
Part of the issue with this approach is that you would be giving an early war vehicle better ammunition than the later war vehicle which is just a bit odd.
American planes, m1 and m9 bazooka (now with buffed stats) , KV-1 and panzerfaust 60
In all honesty, because the game is balanced via BR, there are alot of oddities. This wouldnt be the strangest one
As an avid tanker the difference between the T-28E and the Panzer IIIN in Enlisted is IMO minor. They both Achieve everything you need from a tank easily, Which makes them both Master of all trades. Even the M8 Scott puts out slightly better HEAT rounds at the same rate as the Panzer III (and has far more of them)
Panzer IIIN has the 3.3 second reload and multipurpose ammunition (uptiers into harder targets) TT version only has “7” HEAT rounds
T-28E has Alpha strike Shells, larger crew (replacements) and more Machineguns (currently bugged, Uptier targets dont get harder)
As for the Grant, Scott (same ROF as Panzer III) and Crusader - They have other weakness like, Open top, low crew or big target, But are still effective at everything you need them to be. (they also dont get uptiered into harder targets)
BR 2 is a good BR for everyone, Everyone is squishy, everyones gun is capable in uptier or downtier.
The issue is players not playing or knowing other tanks
Pz3N and Puma are the only reason why i’m still playing Germany at BR2, take one away and i’m not ever playing them at BR2 since anything else is just inferior to the Soviets and Americans.
Pz4E should get a good heat round and be placed at BR3 right now nobody uses that vehicle.
I fully support this proposal. This is the most toxic tank on BR2. It is super effective. This really should be made worse.
I agree, its a shame that there are more OP vehicles. Anything that is just so much better than any of the other options shouldnt be there. However that is very much apples and oranges here.
The M9 im fine with, it still struggles at higher BRs against certain tanks that im such we can guess without mentioning. The M1 is a shame particularly in the soviet tree as it completely kills any point in using the PTRS 41. It could go to BR 3 as well, the PIAT is a suitable BR 2 weapon as is.
Anyhow the oranges aside now, the point above was every nation at BR 2 at least has no perfect vehicle except for the pz3 N. Everyone else has to trade anti tank for anti personal, armour for manoeuvrability, etc for etc. Hence why i think the Pz3 N and Stug 3 F should be swapped
I think you missed my main point, as you pointed out yourself, all those vehicles have trade offs for their benefits, the Pz3 N doesnt.
And dont get me wrong, I enjoy BR2 greatly, however only ever facing the Pz3 N is really fucking boring, I like to see variations in equipment and vehicles.
7 Rounds of the Good Ammunition isnt a trade off? (talking tech tree here)
Its like an equalizing table and how it has to work OR you might aswell just start copy pasting vehicles and giving them different skins…THATs boring.
Whats the main thing about Panzer 3? (why dont you see Panzer IVs?..it can only be 7 rounds of HEAT)
What the main difference of a t-28E?
Whats the main difference of a M8 Scott?
Seriously at this BR in tank on tank- who shoots first wins, reloading is irrelevant in that moment. And as for everything else all BR 2 tanks are fodder for all forms of Anti tank.
At this BR, I wager if someone has Problems with one vehicle, they have problems with them all (dont know what they are doing)
Why do I have a problem only with this tank? What am I doing wrong?