I’ve brought this up in other posts but wanted to take the time to do a dedicated one for this exact thing.
Since TNT is coming to all campaigns with the “High Caliber” update, this brings the ability to destroy fortifications without using an explosive pack/ grenade. It appears it will still be limited to one per character. This however gives a good balancing opportunity.
If non-engineer soldiers have their ability to “deconstruct” engineer built structures removed, but still have the OPTION of taking TNT, it gives a solution to both sides. Attackers will need to chose their placement for TNT carefully, as it will be the primary defense breaching solution for infantry.
Meanwhile, defenders would have less issues of the defenses being worthless because they can be eliminated by anyone, without a limit.
Like most player build defenses Barbwire currently is at most an irritation for attacker.
If the problem is trolling or bad placement inside your own team, you can still leave current way of dismantling with J for friendlies only and have attackers use explosives, introduce wire cutters etc.
Or make different tiers of BW with different utility, strength, area covered including vertically, cost, limit on how many can you place, different ways of overcoming it as an attacker. Player defenses atm are as deep as a puddle.
Right? Its a valid suggestion, but it seems odd to me that instead of debating the topic, which is what the forum is designed for, people would rather just spam the same response.
Yes I am, because I truly believe it could make for a turning point in their game development that brings a lot more strategic players into the game rather than catering only to run-and-gun, like COD did.
I think we need to create a custom match, filled with engineer users on both sides, and test out the current limits and opportunities that engineers offer.
Simply put, what engineers offer now, is simply underutilized. And this… would be a step into the unknown. Few really want an Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors dukeout…
Honestly, my HOPE is that they will at least do an event with it, to test it out. All the people replying “no” are only considering it from their one side, which would inconvenience them as assaulter/attackers. It needs to be tested before judgement can be passed.
Just, we need to test the limits of engineers we currently have now.
What we need to find out - how would battlefield pacing look like if both teams, all the players, used pretty much only engineer squads and activelly building plenty of fortifications (or digging trenches, at least).
For that test however, you need to test not only the ENGINEERS capabilities, but also the capabilities of the attackers against the fortifications. Especially with the addition of so much smoke capabilities coming in with “High Caliber” as well, enemies pushing up close will be even easier than ever. If any character is allowed to break down fortifications as it is now, engineer fortifications will be 100% worthless.
Once you’ve tested that, I suggest a game that everyone tries the system I suggested. No deconstruction allowed, only TNT and explosive pack options for infantry.
Expanding on that, I think we need a confrontation or conquest mode, where both sides can put their defensive capabilities to use, and see how it goes.
My hypothesis is that it would basically turn into a camp-fest, at least in current terms, but if You… or We, can gather a crew of (m… well, I better avoid some words) certified engineer users filling both teams (not sure if lone warriors or squads, I think LWs mode might be better in some cases, at least reduce the number of A.I. otherwise), who take passion in building fortress, I suppose this can be an interesting bit of testing what engineers truly can do.
It would also be a good idea to have the squad compositions of all the participants before going to battle posted.
I however can’t take part in such a test now personally, I am not near my main gaming PC, but I give a call in discord.
I’m not opposed to the confrontation map, but I think Invasion rather than conquest mode is needed. Conquest is disorganized by nature, and usually doesn’t have much engineering going on anyways. Meanwhile, Invasion mode is the most played mode there is. It just requires playing 2 games rather than 1.
I’m on console, and this is kind of a tricky slope, as most of the people I play with refuse to play against PC, and understandably so, we’ve had plenty of questionable situations. That being said, if we could get an even balance of console and PC players, we’d be in business.
