You are a pathetic whiner.
As I stated to another person who stated this. My issue with the bombs isnât the different weight, I know that 250kg is more than 500lbs.
My issue is that there are only 2 German planes with bombs while most American planes have at least 1 bomb.
I personally think to balance the Jumbo Pz.IV matchup, they should switch the Jumbo unlock with the 76mm sherman unlock. The Pz.IV has relatively same penetration and armor as a 76mm and a 76mm is no match for a tiger unless it has a surprise attack. Making the jumbo face off with equal armor as a tiger, and 76mm face off with equal qualities of a Pz.IV would be much more logical. Do you agree?
I cannot for the life of me kill a Jumbo 75mm in head to head combat unless I hit itâs transmission and get some lucky shot, or I hit it in that small little window of the hull mg.
The problem with APCBC as the only ap round though is it has no internal splash damage. Thatâs why I would like to see HEAT or APHE.
I play it quite often. I canât stand the uptiers. But Iâd rather play the armor in that than this. Itâs always just a measuring contest because the maps are too small to use tactics. Itâs just whoever has the better armor and gun, or if theyâre equal then itâs a stalemate.
I am a quite efficient AT tank hunter now that I have a panzershrek that can literally pen the front of any allied tank. I just wish the jumbo wasnât introduced at level 20. It should switch places with the 76mm Sherman at level 36 since the 76mm has a relatively similar gun range/ armor range as the Pz.IV.
If you read some of the chat threads, you may see some of my opinions on actions I would like to see for balance.
Simple things like instead of the Jumbo 75mm being introduced at level 20, it can be moved up to 31 or 36 with the Panther or Tiger since they have strong armor. And the 76mm Sherman would be a great matchup to fight the Pz.IV since they both have similar guns and armor strength.
As for the pathetic thing, Iâm stating personal opinions and opening a thread to ideas and suggestions on fixes or other just peoples thoughts in general.
If youâre only here to insult me, leave and go to the next thread. Iâm not here to fight someone who has nothing better to do.
Uh huh. Go on.
The Americans only have three, and only one with a sizeable bomb load.
What? It has two 30mm cannons and one 37mm cannon that are are quite effective against infantry out in the open. And the WfrGr21s are undoubtedly better at anti infantry that the M8s due to the weaker spread.
Incorrect. The Jumbo is better armored, but it is not stronger. As I stated earlier, it can withstand quite a few hits but does not have more raw firepower than the PzIV.
Im gonna stop you there real quick. You should not be attempting to fight a tank from the front, especially one you know is better armored or stronger than yours. Itâs not going to end well for you.
It can, but only in specific spots.
This is a huge problem with the game, not this campaign. I donât condone this behavior from any player, itâs ridiculous. But I wish you would address how often the Axis do this as well.
I usually just quit D-Day because Iâm so tired of Tigers spawn camping from the hill. No Jumbo or M4A1 stands a chance against a watchful tiger on a hill.
Be careful what you wish for. The M4A1 is definitely more powerful than the PzIV and will just bully it into oblivion.
No? The Tiger has an 88mm cannon vs the Jumboâs 75mm. It might be able to withstand a few hits, but it has no chance of fighting back at all.
Fair enough.
Iâm not sure if I believe you, based on what youâre telling me and how youâre speaking. I will give you credit since you didnât say ânerf P47â right away.
But what youâre saying is that American vehicles outperform German ones, which just isnât true.
Incorrect. They have the P-51C-10 with 2 100lbs, the A-20G-25 with 4 500lbs, the P-47D-28 with one 500lbs and 10 rockets, and the P-51D-5 with 2 500lbs bombs.
I clicked on the wrong plane and didnât even notice. The 37mm/ 30mm combo is good but itâs the only plane that has guns of that size.
Maybe not but that doesnât matter when the Pz.IV can get front shot by the Jumbo while no tanks can pen the front of the jumbo.
No duh. But the maps are way too compact to allow you to flank them. Half the time they sit way back so you are forced to do head to head combat.
The 75mm Jumbo can pen basically any flat part of the Pz.IV while it can only pen the hull mgâs armor at best.
I am typing down the list so Iâm going to leave my previous camping thing I already put here. AnywaysâŚ
Every player does it. Itâs a measuring contest in the end.
I know what the M4A1 76mm Sherman can do. But at least it can be penetrated by a Pz.IV and vise versa. I would much rather have it be you have a chance to kill them than oh hey, he has more armor than you can even dream of penetrating and he can kill you easy like we already have with the jumbo.
So? In head-to-head combat (the main type you see in this game), the jumbo can only be penned by the tiger in specific locations (regardless of the 88mm), the tiger can only be penned by the jumbo in specific locations.
Glad we found some common ground on the mgâs!
Not quite what Iâm saying. My biggest problem is the bastard jumbo being a level 20 unlock while also having the best armor protection of any of the allied armor while the only German armored tanks that can take some shells come in at 31 and 36.
I also speak heavily on the air to ground combat capabilities when I speak on my aircraft problems. Being a huge fan of the P-47, I know it was outclassed by German Bf-109âs and Fw-190âs in the air, but the P-47 does have better ground cover and all be it harder, it can fight in the air too.
German planes in my eyes are slightly more limited to one task, either the ground or the air. A fw-190 can outclass most allied aircraft in the sky, but will have a harder time destroying ground units (with only 2 rockets) than a decent bit of the American planes equipped with bombs.
mid level unlocks arent relevant in grand scheme of things. panther and tiger are invulnerable to any frontal gun besides 76mm and can one shot any tank (jumbo gives a little more problem, but it is easily dealt with by shooting MG port or armor joint line). 76mm can pen panther and tiger, but they also need to aim for their weak spot and they are trading infantry killing potential for armor penetration.
jumbo has troll armor, but that armor has weakness. there are at least 3 spots (Jumbo Sherman M4A3E2 Weak Spot Guide - All The Ways To Beat The Troll Armor + A Hidden Weak Spot - YouTube) where you can aim with 75mm gun that can damage or kill jumbo frontally. tiger doesnt have weakness and it needs 76mm to be able to pen him frontally. only thing that you can damage on tiger with 75mm is their gun and they still have potential to one shot any tank in allies lineup.
putting jumbo in such low level was always questionable decision. problem is that putting it later also doesnt make much sense cause it cannot frontally pen panther/tiger. pz4 can kill jumbo, just that pz4 player needs some skill and know the weakness of jumbo.
best counterpart vs tiger should be 76mm jumbo, but that is premium.
Iâm referring to 500lb bombs, since that was what you were discussing. 100lb are weak and mostly insignificant.
I reiterate: the front of a tank is likely the most armored, therefore it is nonsensical to attempt this.
All of them? I can only think of two that are too small for flanking, and thatâs Steel Mill and Le Bre.
Not easily. Itâs taken me multiple hits to destroy an M4A1 from the front in a PzIV, and Iâve never been destroyed by one while playing as an M4A1.
Everyoneâs experience is different, but the M4A1 has a more powerful cannon and better ammo that will likely destroy the PzIV in one to two shots. The PzIV does not have the same advantage.
Additionally, you would be giving the Allies the ability to destroy any German tank but far earlier in the campaign, Tigers included.
The Tiger canât really be destroyed by the front by a Jumbo in the same way that a PzIV struggles to take out a Jumbo from the front. So thatâs not rebalancing, thatâs just flipping the issue youâre describing over to the Allies.
I have to ask, do you have statistics for that? Again, everyoneâs experience is different, but Iâve been playing for over a year and a half and I donât see most tank engagements occurring in this manner.
New players in the starter tanks definitely try head to head, but experienced players will never attempt to fight a tank from the front if they donât have to, especially one they know is superior. If you have the element of surprise, no one will waste it by attacking the most heavily armored section of a tank.
My apologies if I am misunderstanding, but that is what I have gathered.
It appears it wasnât clear: the buff Germany was more of a tongue-in-cheek joke since posts like this are quite common, and their content usually are from new players or Axis mains demanding that Germany be buffed.
almost all normandy maps force direct confrontation without flanking. mostly cause players can stay in gray zone and kill enemy without exposing their weak side.
d-day, ver-su-mer, omer, ruins of vaux. only maps from normandy that dont force direct confrontation are conquest(farm or whatever) and la perelle village (although you could stay in gray zone and deny flanking with smart positioning).
there is no balance in war, the fact that you are whining about Bombs and the FIRING RATE of the .50 cal is proof enough you are a whining crybaby. This nothing but another " Germany Suffers " post like the ones on warthunder. get a grip. You whining about the jumbo would be like me asking for the devs to nerf the tigers/ panthers armor so that the shermans 75mm round could pen it.
So what about most german planes having cannons while only a few American ones have cannons
(Still an unbalanced matchup since the Tiger can have much better chances of penetrating the Jumbo than the other way around due to only having AP), as with the 76 sherman vs Tiger, itâs just whoever shoots first. But yes, I do understand what youâre getting at, just that the two are kinda hard to compare when you consider what their strengths are
It does, itâs APCR that has no post-pen damage, APCBC will still do post-pen damage, all you have to do is aim in the general area of where anything important is, which is hard not to do
You can flank in all of those maps, Saint Lo included. D-Day and Ver sur mer are just harder.
i can give you dozen positions on those maps where you cant flank and still have effective kill zone.
d-day hill, ver-su-mer left of tower (second cap), omer streets in gray zone (you can even angle sligthly towards other coast for contingencies sake), ruins of vaux attackers side forest, saint lo has 3 position for camping in gray zone at start in normal orientation, at least 1 in reverse direction.
btw this is all 1st cap. depending on map there are more position for other caps.
The reason I want balance is because Enlisted tries to go for balance with how the progression system works but it isnât top notch.
Lol Maybe do that with the tank instead of shooting a smoke shell which can be easily countered by simply driving forward.
By simply moving forward, you can
- Get out of the gray zone
- Get out of the way
- Or get in trouble
And thatâs what forces the enemy to change position.
Pfff Driving 5m forwards and one-tapping that smoke moron doesnât sound really tactical-changing.
It also depends on how deep the dude is within the grey zone and you and if it even logical to bait him out of people who cant reach him on the edge anyway.
Really, just destroy the stupid barrel like anyone else.
i mean it is stupid argument anyway. you need solution to kill him, not to avoid him. avoidance is not balance.
solutions are
- have map designed in a way that gray zone camping is ineffective
- have map designed in a way that you can flank enemy from multiple directions if he camps in gray zone
- give second vehicle slot to f2p players
- remove gray zone
tiger is perfectly killable with most normandy tanks if you can flank him. problem is that you cant in most cases.