Normandy vehicles need balance

[MistrzRozruba]

@robihr

cause of smaller level difference. they didnt need to balance pz2 and t34, or stuart and tiger, or BA vs fedorovs/stg. most campaigns are most balanced when they just come out. more they add stuff in them, more unbalanced they get.

balance is a player’s invention. Even when the game came out of CBT, it was unbalanced and played well on Normandy.
Adding new equipment didn’t affect the balance either because it wasn’t there. People played tactically. Most of you don’t even know how many smoke grenades people used on the beach to get to the bunker, and now hardly anyone uses smoke grenades.

I’ll give you some advice. When you’re driving a Sherman and you see a Tiger, shoot him with a smoke projectile. It’s balance and tactics. Blind your opponent and you don’t cry that you can’t win 1v1 against him.
Tactics and thinking. But with you Westerners, thinking is punished.

[robihr]

@MistrzRozruba

I’ll give you some advice. When you’re driving a Sherman and you see a Tiger, shoot him with a smoke projectile. It’s balance and tactics. Blind your opponent and you don’t cry that you can’t win 1v1 against him.
Tactics and thinking. But with you Westerners, thinking is punished.

if game/maps actually provided room for tactics and flanking i wouldnt be complaining about balance. when most of the engagements are forced into frontal armor vs armor, gun vs gun, sherman vs tiger is unbalanced.

[MistrzRozruba]

@robihr

if game/maps actually provided room for tactics and flanking i wouldnt be complaining about balance. when most of the engagements are forced into frontal armor vs armor, gun vs gun, sherman vs tiger is unbalanced.

But the maps allow you to perform a flanking maneuver. It’s the players problem that they only see one straight line to the point.

[mergenthewise]

Even m8 scott can penetrate and easily flank any german armored except puma. I can even took out tiger with it.
It depends your team and your skills. If your teammates just bunch of idiots and dont mark any vehicle, good luck since your gnna have hard times even with tiger

[robihr]

@MistrzRozruba

But the maps allow you to perform a flanking maneuver. It’s the players problem that they only see one straight line to the point.

explain to me in d-day example how to flank german tank? or in ver-su-mer, or omer or ruins of vaux when tank is in gray zone.

[mergenthewise]

1- that maps is a disaster has no similarity with real omaha beach. Even ver sur mer is more similar to real omaha.
2-tanking in omaha is useless, it heavily favors defender. You need good pilots not tankers.
3-landing tanks under immense enemy mortar and artillery fire on a beach is stupid concept to begin with. In real war, allies first cleared the beach with naval bombing, air bombing and later infantty and then landed their trucks, tanks etc…

[robihr]

and did i say that game/map forces you in frontal armor vs armor, gun vs gun situations? exactly cause maps are disaster?

[Greyparrots]

With the new event squad and the Paratrooper It’s easy to flank just build rally points everywhere

[robihr]

@Greyparrots

new event squad and the Paratrooper It’s easy to flank

still cant flank gray zone campers.

[MistrzRozruba]

You don’t flank on the beaches. You blind the enemy and force him to change position. Sometimes this blinding of the enemy’s forehead will allow the allies to capture the objective, because the enemy tank has a problem, and they have one less player’s team to defend the point.

[mergenthewise]

@robihr

and did i say that game/map forces you in frontal armor vs armor, gun vs gun situations? exactly cause maps are disaster?

All maps are designed poorly at that manner.
I have no idea what were they thinking while map designing.

[Greyparrots]

Build a rally point and Spawn Anti tank squad or Suicide Squad

[MistrzRozruba]

@Greyparrots

Build a rally point and Spawn Anti tank squad or Suicide Squad

Or build anti-tank cannons and try to destroy the enemy tank cannon.

[Greyparrots]

You also forgot Smoke artillery and Mixing Smoke shells not gonna be fun for the enemy

[robihr]

@Greyparrots

Spawn Anti tank squad or Suicide Squad

allies anti tank suck against tiger (either m1/m9 that cant pen it, or piat that you really need to know how to lob and then get lucky to hit critical spot) and suicide squads most often cant even come close

@MistrzRozruba

Or build anti-tank cannons

just so i can destroy his gun that he will repair in 10-20 seconds.

easiest counter is p38 or p47, but sometimes it is problem to actually see all tanks specially cause your team is not marking.

overall most of the balance problems is due to poor map design and/or lack of second f2p vehicle slot and not cause of lack of counters.

[khtk395]

@MistrzRozruba

you can’t balance the game for weak players all the time because knives will soon pierce the armor of tanks.

The game was more balanced in CBT in terms of weapons than it is now. Because nowadays, because of weak players, we have things like weapon normalization, nerfing vehicles and soldiers with ninja agility.

See how mines have been weakened recently, artillery deals random damage. The bomb can fall next to infantry and not kill anyone, and all because of the squeal of people who think that balance is more important than realism.
And even friendly fire from grenades and bombs was taken away.

Bruh, this thing is related to balance not historical accuracy lol.

[BaronVonPickles]

@AdRock2621

Oh my god, not another buff Germany post!

I’m just gonna quote myself from the last one just days ago.

This isn’t a BUFF GERMANY post. Please just read as I explain my personal thoughts.

@AdRock2621

You do realize that lb and kg are different units right? 500lb and 250kg are similar sized bombs. The Americans get the A20 which has x4 500lb bombs, and the Ju188 which gets x6 250kg bombs, but yet you call this unbalanced.

I was stating that the Germans only have one plane with those 250kg bombs. The only other plane with bombs is a Bf-109 G6. I know the difference in Kg to lbs, I was stating that it still doesn’t count for most American planes having anywhere from 100lbs-500lbs bombs, or rockets, or 100lbs bombs with rockets while the main ground weapon German planes have are Rockets or 20mm cannons (which aren’t too effective or unique).

@AdRock2621

This is just wrong. Also, Germany gets its first attack plane at lvl 3 while the Americans don’t get one until lvl 20.

I find rockets to be pretty ineffective. They can have a great wipe if they get that exact spot but that’s why I don’t like them. It needs to be a pretty perfect shot.
The German Bf 110 is unlocked at lvl 4 and it comes with 4 rockets and a 20mm cannon (it is rarely effective against infantry). The Americans get at lvl 4 a P-38G with 6 rockets, and also a 20mm cannon.
Having used them both, I’d rather have the P-38G.

@AdRock2621

They have the same caliber cannon, so what’s the problem? The Jumbo can withstand hits but it’s not more powerful than the PzIV.

The Jumbo is stronger than a Pz.IV H. In head to head combat, Jumbo can take every single German shell with its only weak spots being the hull gun or the flat part of the transmission slope. The only other exception is if the German tank is elevated so the jumbo’s armor is flat instead of sloped.

My problem with this is it can penetrate the front armor of a Pz.IV fine (I understand why, it’s a box armor tank) but nothing can take its shells until lvl 31 (the Panther A tank). And the reason I complain about it being so strong at the front is because it usually camps in the back so unless you have a guy who knows how to hail mary a panzershrek shot or you have air support, you can’t kill it!

And yeah yeah, the tiger/ panther exists but not until 11-16 levels later. I’m not saying nerf the jumbo or buff the tiger, but I personally think the Jumbo should switch level unlock with the 76mm Sherman.
I feel the 76mm Sherman is more on par with a Pz.IV H since they both have excellent guns and relatively easy armor while the 75mm Jumbo is on par with the Panther or Tiger since it has the beefy armor those tanks have.

@AdRock2621

The only American tank with HEAT is the M8 Scott, which is an open top howitzer and can be killed quite easily. The Americans also don’t get APCBC until the M4A1 at like lvl 30.

I never said all American tanks have HEAT etc. but at least they do have variety. German tanks are limited, start to finish, with only 2 shell types. Not even their premiums have new shells.
Shell variety is something both Germany and America should see more of because then you could still have a chance with higher leveled vehicles. It wouldn’t always be a measuring contest to see who has the biggest tank, or an infinite punching match like Chuck Norris trying to fight Chuck Norris.

@AdRock2621

That’s because they have a much higher firerate than the American machine guns like the M1919 and M2. That’s not unbalanced, it’s a trade off.

I understand this and stated such. But I also stated that both the German mg34’s and American mg’s are quick to overheat.
I would like to see just a slight boost in both of their mg’s overheat capacity.
My main “unbalanced issue” wasn’t between German tanks or American tanks in this area, it was between tanks having to stoop so low to be balanced to infantry (even though it’s a ******* tank).
It would also be cool to see American 30./ 50. caliber guns to be able to penetrate weak armored vehicles like the German Puma.

@AdRock2621

You need to play both sides of the campaign before saying stuff like this.

You say this yet I have/ still do. Aside from that, this isn’t a BUFF GERMANY ONLY post.
I just want to see some bombs for my German planes so I’m not limited to a bf-109 or a heavy bomber.
I, again, would like to see the Jumbo switch level unlock with the M4A1 76.
Not buffing Germany, not nerfing America. Just balancing.

[BaronVonPickles]

A 57mm AT gun isn’t going to penetrate the front 102mm armor of a Tiger or sloped 80mm armor of a Panther.
Side shots could probably mess up the engine or tracks or something but there’s so much beefy or sloped armor on those tanks, that 57mm AT gun isn’t going to cut it.

[AdRock2621]

@Vegtag01

“don’t get one until lvl 20.”… What ?
Surely the Americans don’t have an attack plane up to lvl 20 ( lvl 20 is jumbo anyway ) ? Because no matter how I look at it… there is on lvl 4, and have rockets. What are you talking about ?

I’m so sorry that I don’t have every campaign level memorized for your own convenience. No, they don’t have an attack aircraft until around level 20. Happy?

If you are referring to the P38 and its rockets, I already addressed that and why it is not unbalanced, and in fact is necessary. It seems you did not read the original post.

@Vegtag01

Maybe that one cannot penetrate the other frontal armor? It’s hard to ignore this little fact.

I’m aware and I already addressed this. Read the post again. Isn’t it funny how you conveniently fail to mention that you have the best tank in the campaign that easily outperforms and outguns every Allied tank in the game?

If a player in an M4A1 wants to attack a Tiger, they can’t penetrate the frontal armor unless they hit a very specific spot. And unlike the Jumbo/PzIV matchup, the M4A1 has little chance of escape once it has been discovered.

@Vegtag01

According to your logic, the panther is not more powerful than the M4A2 sherman

That’s not even close to what I said. But nice try.

So your logic is because the PzIV and Jumbo matchup is slightly unbalanced, the entire campaign is skewed to the Allies as a whole. Understood.

I will say it again: play both sides of a campaign before saying stuff like this.

[BaronVonPickles]

I disagree. The Jumbo 75mm introduced at level 20 can bounce every tanks shells and easily kill the Pz.IV which is introduced at level 20.
I feel a good way to balance that out would be to switch the unlock for the jumbo 75mm with the unlock for the 76mm Sherman. The Jumbo is as beefy as a tiger (in this game) while the 76mm has a good gun and relatively similar armor to the Pz.IV. I feel like switching places would be perfect for a bit more balance.