New US handguns

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I just have a couple ideas for other handguns that the US fielded in the war due to having a stockpile leftover from World War 1 and interwar period.

First is a revolver the M1917 Revolver was used to supplement the 1911 during world war 1 but since they had so many lying around they were fielded on more than a few occasions.

The second is the Browning Model 1903/1908 hammerless these were mainly only issued to officers during the First World War and the interwar period but like the M1917 they had them around so they used them especially after the 1911 became the officers go to sidearm.

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Yea that would be cool. The revolver is in the practice mode along with our correct AT gun and what should be our mid tier assaulter SMGā€¦

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honestly at this point historical pretext for the US is largely irrelevant. Give them Glocks at this point.

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Perhaps theyā€™re holding the Bazooka back because for the Germans, at least from what Iā€™ve seen, they only have the Sturmpistole for AT, no Panzerschrek.

Thatā€™s excessive. They have things in the game that are a few months or a year early. Glocks are, what, 1982 or 1983? Over 35 years after WWII ended.

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I see people getting their panties twisted over non-Luftwaffe forces wielding an FG42 despite the FG42 seeing combat in Normandy.

All while using weapons and equipment that were never issued or never issued until much later.

Rules for thee but not for me!

In all seriousness Iā€™d love new US handgun additions but I think the Normandy campaign needs a serious overhaul for both sides. FG-42 in a Heer soldierā€™s hands makes me cringe just as much as anyone else.

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FG-42s were so rare in ww2 that they were only used as fill in MGs instead of standard riflemen.

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It should go

M1 Bazooka - Panzerfaust 30 lvl 8

M1 Bazooka with M6 HEAT 80mm rockets but 300m range vs Panzerfuast with 140mm of pen and 30 m range.

M1A1 Bazooka - Panzerfaust 60 throw them in at around level 15-16.

M1A1 Bazooka with M6A1 100mm pen and 300m range vs Panzerfaust with 180 pen and 60m range

M9A1 Bazooka - Panzershreck ranges about the same. lvl 30

M9A1 Bazooka with 120mm pen with M6A3 rockets. Panzershreck at 230mm pen but less rockets as they weremuch bigger.

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If you go to the practice range as the US they have the M1917 revolver you can try out

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Uh, thatā€™s a lot of AT weapons, considering only one specialized troop is gonna use 'em. Who knows, maybe someday Gaijin will develop Enlisted to the point that thereā€™s truly LOADS of different firearms for many or even for only one unit. Thorough variety. Weā€™ll see, but for what Iā€™m seeing now, thatā€™s looking several months if not years into the future. That said, Iā€™m impressed at just how much you know about AT firearms, well done. Iā€™m more of a rifle/SMG/pistol kinda guy myself.

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It would be neat if they could include the M1917, but I donā€™t really know what other pistols could be included that saw considerable use by the US. The M1911A1 is, well, thatā€™s by far the biggie. Adopted 1911, used in WWI, improved from the M1911 to M1911A1 in 1924 or so (all changes were external, 7 I think, internals are the same, improved handling and possibly slightly improved reliability with the expanded ejection port), and thatā€™s how it went until modern day where some US Forces to my knowledge still field a 1911 variant via the M45A1 or whatever itā€™s called. Maybe just M45.

Itā€™d be neat to include an M1873 Colt Single Action Army, however, who on Earth carried one of those in WWII? If anyone did, theyā€™d surely be a one-off like balls-of-steel Mad Jack Churchill with his longbow and longsword.

It probably didnā€™t see actual use in WWII but it confirms that at least one was present. I realize that films canā€™t always be trusted to be historically accurate, but the movie Fury about a US tank invading Germany in April 1945, they have a revolver in the tank. Itā€™s not a Colt SAA, probably double-action and swing-out cylinder. .357 Magnum has been in production since 1935 it seems, according to Wiki, so that could be included. In the film, the team in the tank Fury had fought together in Africa, in France, I think Belgium may have possibly been mentioned, and of course it is set in Germany. The team had survived intact until shortly before the movie starts, where itā€™s soon revealed that they lost their ā€˜bow gunnerā€™ as the tank commander puts it, I refer to the machine-gunner in the front as the ā€˜assistant gunnerā€™ though it may be incorrect, I donā€™t know. They get a fresh recruit, not even someone trained for tanks but instead trained to be a typist, and so we witness this character being exposed to front-line action. Anyhow, my point is, theyā€™ve been to so many places and been traveling for so long, also picking stuff up off of German corpses for so long, they gathered a nice collection of items, including an STG-44 which was probably a pain in the ass to pull out of or put back into to the tank.

Anyhow, yeah more pistols would be fun, though thereā€™ll always be the argument that anything outside of the M1911A1 and M1917 revolver would be fairly unrealistic due to having seen little-to-no confirmed use by the US in WWII. So meh, I canā€™t really give any suggestions. Only having the M1911A1, though I love it, does leave the side-arm situation for the Normandy campaign pretty monotonous, but itā€™s THE pistol of America for WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. Right now, the sidearm selection of the US is realistic, and adding more would dilute realism, but why the Hell not? If weā€™re getting scoped M1 Garands and M2 Carbines and plenty of M3 ā€œGrease Gunsā€ in the hands of infantry, plus the Sherman Jumbo, on the beaches of Normandyā€¦ kinda opens the door for the suggestion of ā€œIf it existed during WWII at any point, even if it didnā€™t leave the prototype stage, have at it!ā€ I mean, the freakinā€™ Pederson Device is in the gameā€¦ stuff like that really sticks a thumb in the nose of anyone who tries to guide the game along the lines of realism.

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Another option is to add in the British pistols since already have everything else. So all the webley and enfield revolvers along with the Browning high power

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M2 Carbine in the game is from Korea and Vietnam.

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doesnā€™t matter they had them in ww2 aswell they converted them from m1 carbines

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why cope so hard about your time traveler weapon? Just enjoy it dude and stop spreading misinformation.

They give the germans the STG44 in an invasion of Poland campaign you wont see me acting like that.

ā€œuh well ackshuallyā€¦ā€

ā€œtechnically it was thereā€¦ā€

ā€œits okay becuzā€

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Spot-onā€¦ wellā€¦ assuming the Tunisia Champaign occurred around late 1944. The Brits and we Canucks didnā€™t adopt the Hi Power until 1944 when we liberated Belgium and got the specs of the pistol. We even produced Hi Powers here in Canada at Inglis, also sold some to China that came with nifty wooden stock-holsters and a rear sight that could go out to about 500mā€¦ what I wouldnā€™t give to have one of them little beauties. So the Webley Mk.VI and the Enfield No.2 (If I have the names right, Webley Mk.VI is correct, I owned one before) are good, though those who are impatient about the US still having Commonwealth firearms would be upset at even MORE being added. Iā€™m certain that segregation will take place in time but some people are really ticked off about it. Quite unfortunate, but I can understand them wanting the US to have accurate representation. Since thereā€™s already foolish WWI firearms such as the Ross of all things, they could also implement thatā€¦ what was that super-blocky semi-auto pistol that Britain developed during WWII that even the Glock would say ā€œDANG THATā€™S BLOCKY!ā€ I looked up WWI British semi-auto .455 or something like that and it says ā€œWebley 1913.ā€ I guess the Webley-Fosberry is another option, neat self-cocking revolver.

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I was referring to the Normandy campaign as the British equipment is currently in Normandy and likely to stay

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M2 Carbine was developed during WWII, but either saw little service during the war or no service at all, at least to my understanding. Correct me if Iā€™m wrong.

Off the top of my head I donā€™t know for sure if they actually fielded M2 Carbines during WWII, but yes to my understanding the conversion from M1 to M2 was so simple that they sent parts to armorers who were able to convert existing M1 Carbines into M2 Carbines. It required the select-fire lever, a spring, somehow it also interacted with the fire control group to ensure there wouldnā€™t be hammer-follow which would cause light-strikes and malfunctions, and also a change to the mag release latch. Due to the 30-rnd mag being a fair bit heavier than the 15-rnd mag, they needed to add an extra supportive notch to hold the magazine in place. If memory serves, 15-rnd mags require two notches in the back, the 30-rnd mag receives a third notch, I think on the side or maybe itā€™s also on the back, canā€™t recall that well. Lots to learn on Forgotten Weapons, Iā€™ve been watching it religiously for quite a while.

Thatā€™s a pretty significant screw-up. Literally the beginning of WWII, they include a firearm that is the final product of a prototype that began in mid-late war in 1942/43, canā€™t remember exactly which. I recall a 42(H) but canā€™t remember the letters that come first, but yeah. 1939 has 1944 firearms? Thatā€™s not exactly an issue of a few months to a year, which is more understandableā€¦

I should hope it wonā€™t stay! Once the Tunisia campaign kicks off, the British firearms should transfer to there and leave the US alone! The only reason it should stay in the Normandy campaign is if they segregate US/Commonwealth somehow, even if itā€™s as basic as separate squads. US assault troops get M3 and Thompson and the shotgun, British/Canadian assault troops can get STEN and Lanchester or whatever. I do not think itā€™s particularly acceptable, IN THE END, for US troops to be spawning with British kit. Technically British troops can spawn with US kit because Brits bought Thompsons. I doubt they bought M1 Garands, given the US aiming to make it standard-issue thus wanting to keep them and Brits not using .30-06.

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Why would you not want the British and Canadian forces represented in Normandy? They should absolutely keep them but give them there own squads, tanks, planes and other proper equipment

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" On 26 October 1944, in response to the Germansā€™ widespread use of automatic weapons, especially the Sturmgewehr 44 assault rifle, the select-fire M2 carbine was introduced, along with a new 30-round magazine. The M2 had a fully automatic rate-of-fire of about 750-775 rounds-per-minute. Although actual M2 production began late in the war (April 1945), U.S. Ordnance issued conversion-part kits to allow field conversion of semi-auto M1 carbines to the selective-fire M2 configuration. These converted M1/M2 select-fire carbines saw limited combat service in Europe, primarily during the final Allied advance into Germany. In the Pacific, both converted and original M2 carbines saw limited use in the last days of the fighting in the Philippines."

Pulled from Wiki, the source is ā€œOrdnance Went Up Frontā€ by Roy F. Dunlap published by R&R Books. Specifically it is at page 240, and 293-297.

I most certainly did not say that, I would be delighted if they were represented, because we were there. Though, as a Newfoundlander, technically I am separated from Canadian involvement in WWII because we didnā€™t become a part of Canada until 1949, but Iā€™m certain that some Newfies enlisted with the Brits since we were a colony of theirs, perhaps some went with the Canucks? Who knows? I ought to do some research on that, honestly. With enough info, I could pen a book about it. Already self-published many books under different pseudonyms.

Agreed, just make sure that the kit presented is only used by those who actually utilized it. I do not want US troops using STENs or Enfields or anything of the sort, for one because it is historically inaccurate, and for two it would annoy/frustrate/anger those Americans who desire historical correctness, and if they desire historical correctness, they would be absolutely correct in being displeased and I would be kicking up a stink right beside them. I take historical accuracy quite seriously, at least to some degree.

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M6A1 HEAT only had 60-65mm of pen, I thought? and youā€™ve got interim M6A2 HEAT at 75-80mm of pen.

M6A3 I know had about 100mm of pen, and was the standard issue for the M9. I thought the M9A1 wasnā€™t available for normandy?

Iā€™m still more of a fan of
M1A1 Bazooka w/ M6A1 HEAT vs Sturmpistole. (60mm of pen / 300m range vs 80mm of pen / 70m range)
Otherwise youā€™ve also got the reasonable option for the Gross Panzergranate 46 fired from a Kar98kā€™s rifle grenade launcher, with 90mm of pen and 180m as your maximum range, if you really think the sturmpistole is underpowered.

PIAT vs Panzerfaust 30. Normandy is the only campaign the PIAT can be in, really, as such Iā€™d rather it be around. 100mm of pen, 105m effective (aimable) firing range vs 200mm of pen, 30m range.

M9 Bazooka with M6A3 HEAT vs Panzerfaust 60. 100mm of pen, 300m range, vs 200mm of pen, 60m range.