overheating is needed, definitely. But right now it’s too fast for some machine guns. It should be reduced a bit. 30-40% would be enough.
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Noobs tryed to destroy my tank with smoke bombs.
I think this says all
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I think we should look at it on a case by case basis. Reducing overheat on the stationary MG-42s on Normandy would be absolute HELL for sure.
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Buddy, tank machine guns. Stationary ones take four to five times longer to overheat
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Still, while some tank mgs are really terrible with overheat, others are pretty ok. It’s also important to state this is strictly tank mgs before Gaijin tells Darkflow to reduce all mg overheating.
Truth is Jumbo has been an extremely unbalanced tank since it was added. Now, it is just unbalanced. If the other side does not have a good Panther driver, it still wrecks everything including the Panther, and especially infantry against which it is amazing.
Panther has a much slower reload rate for its main gun, and against infantry it sucks, and the machine gun is garbage, to boot.
Furthermore, i find it very interesting how people unironically discuss the balance between a top tier tank (Panther) against a mid tier tank (Jumbo) as if they are supposed to be equal, instead of one beng vastly inferior to the other.
I hope you see the absurdity of talking about balance between two tanks which are no less than eleven levels apart. It is mind boggling how a level 20 tank is actually competitive enough to match against the Panther well enough for people to discuss the balance between the two.
The truth is that Panther should be wiping the floor with the Jumbo considering the level gap. However, the Jumbo is so ridiculously overpowered for its level, it actually competes pretty well, and the only issue is that if these two tanks are driven by skilled players, they cannot pen each other, and the Jumbo player has a better chance to take out the Panther gun (larger hit box of the 75 mm L70 gun, and twice as fast reload rate for the Jumbo).
Unsurprisingly, these two tanks have the same BR in Warthunder, and for very obvious reasons. They are balanced against each other, with the Jumbo having an edge over the Panther thanks to its mobility (which in WT and in Enlisted is better, top speed being completely irrelevant).
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Amazing how you can keep insisting with this extremely ignorant rubbish you learned from video games and you think it is real. Can you be anymore dishonest than that just to be right for the sake of being right, with complete disregard to reality? I mean, seriously. Completely ignorant people push this total bs nonsense instead of actually learning something and correcting themselves on things they have literally no clue about.
Right after that bit you posted, it is followed by: the barrel was replaced (in the field, not inside the tank!), to be put aside to cool off. Replacing a barrel took as much as reloading, by the way. And you could keep the trigger down just fine to fire the whole 100 rounds belt. The article is about the MG42.
Tanks only used the mg34, with a much better barrel life and which took a lot more firing to heat to the point it would lock up. Considering its fire rate, it simply could not get hot enough to ever lock up due to it being too hot.
Instead of pretending you know anything about german machine guns, do yourself a favor and stop posting absolutely false information anyone who either fired these guns at the range or is very familiar with how they worked can call you out for you total BS.
Machinegun barrels do not overheat so easily to the point the weapon stops firing because the metal becomes so fatigued you get a misfire. Anyone with a super basic experience and understanding of firearms of any kind would understand that much.
Even if you did not know anything about firearms, common sense would tell you that no army would put in the field equipment that stopped working after a few rounds, especially weapons which were meant to saturate the target with a high volume of bullets.
In tanks, MG34s could be hosed down without any issue or concern for overheating and misfiring. This game balance BS we see in video games where weapons overheat and stop firing is complete nonsense. And it is not real.
MG42s were never used in WW2 tanks. EVER. They are still being used today in tanks like Leopards. And they are very very reliable.
Dunning Kruger effect. And I expect you to double down with this nonsense because you do not care to learn something. It is more important to you to be right about fantasy game realism.
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I was active duty U.S. military up until about 1.5 years ago. I’m not a certified fire arms expert but you DON’T want to push weapon barrels to their limits for accuracy and reliability sake.
I pulled these straight from the U.S. Army medium machine gun manual circa 2017 just for you buddy.
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Please specifically read what the U.S. Army trains it’s gunners for in “hot weapon”, “rapid fire” and “sustained fire” on it’s MODERN machine guns.
Now apply this same principle to machine guns several decades older than the machine guns featured in game.
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The manual only confirms what I was saying. 200+ rounds in 2 minutes. That is a lot of hosing.
Furthermore, the mgs discussed there are clearly of a different construction than an mg42. An mg42 can be handled hot. Mg42 is a german gun, and it is very different than any of the any of the US mg designs.
Furthermore, MG42 was never used on any WW2 tank. Yet, you pretend as if you never brought it up.
As I predicted you double down and unironically dispute what experts who understand and know well these weapons say, even though you admit you have absolutely no qualification in this field you have no experience firing these guns, and you keep referring to US army manuals about completely different things and completely different guns which can be M2s, M134s or whatever rotary canon which has nothing in common which are in a completely different class with completely different safety criterias, forcing some sort of BS analogy. No, you aren’t disproving anything I said, you are just going on a tangent.
Just because WW2 guns are older, they are not less reliable. Any WW2 gun, after 80 years if kept in good order works today, without an issue. These guns were made to be reliable.
Most MG designs for tanks did not change at all since the 20ies and 30ies. You should know that much, since you allegedly were in the army. They are exactly the same today as they were then.
M1919 Browning machine gun worked fine. No overheating issues.
MG34 worked fine, and it absolutely had no overheating issues.
Mg34 would absolutely not stop firing after 20 rounds of holding down the trigger like it happens in Enlisted.
Instead of going on a tangent and promoting false claims based on video games and ignorance, spend some time buying a book, like Hilary Doyle , Thomas Jentz.
I am done with this because it is unbelievably stupid to continue this imbecile discussion based on blatantly false information based on conjecture, sheer intellectual dishonesty and the persistence in ignorance.
You are right. Continue to claim that German tanks used mg42s, and they would overheat willy nilly. Also, according to you, by completely misreading an article, the crews would get out of the tanks (?!), and try to replace the barrels in the open after a few hundred rounds ! because they would just wear out like that (not because they wanted to cool them). Also, do not watch any of the very informative videos I have provided which explain how these guns were both reliable, and very easy to replace barrels for (inside the tank or in the field). Learning something is bad.
I am done with this. It is embarrassing. Ignorance and stupidity is promoted as fact.
Totally overheats and misfires:
Buddy I think you need to take the commando off the keyboard. Get some rest.
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i bet you would so u could stomp with out dying like the biased German main u are quit complaining
Cool, deflection. I have a much better idea. How about you stop talking complete nonsense about things you have absolutely no idea about? You apparently cannot even understand the very simple texts which you shared, which inadvertently show how little understanding you have about firearms. Incredibly, you cannot even tell that much.
All summer you could play one-handed jumbo and nothing embarrassed you. I just don’t hear your argument after that.
Now the Axis finally has a decent tank to counteract the jumbo
A resume for you.
Mg34 panzerlauf. Tank variant had a heavier barrel and more holes on the barrel jacket for improved cooling.
A barrel usually lasted 200 to 250 rounds of continuous fire. and could last up to 6000 rounds on multiple changes. The rifling inside and the stress on the metal would make it obsolete and the discarded. It’s stated on mg34s manuals. I can share them with you…
Mg34 was more used Than mg42 simply because of the barrel change mechanism on limited space tank hulls. , not because how long the user could fire it or not untill the barrel was too hot and firerate.
Having 900 to 1500 rpm (diferent bolts) was too much for a tank hull MG. A 600 to 1000 rpm mg34 was more than enough for coaxial shooting.
Also, the heavy weight and higher construction standards on mg34 made them a more reliable weapon, that with the less space consuming barrel change mechanism.
They built over a half million mg34 variants, they didn’t build as many tanks. There was no reason to have a bigger hull or design a diferent mounting position just because a MG42 was cheaper to make. They had mg34 s available for the number of tanks avaiable. Also the kit with the stock bipod if the tanker needed to use the weapon outside the tank was a prof design that was present on all tanks with it.
About ww2 MG42 in tanks.
Also I m sorry but jagdpanzer IV and iv/70 used mg42 as coaxial.
Puma too. But puma is a diferent cat here.
There is a known picture of a destroyed panther in berlin (?) with an mg42 as coaxial. Nothing stopped the crews to mount one inside the tank. I ill post it if I find it.
Leopards use mg3. It’s a upgrade from the 42 but isn’t a 42. For example A MG34 isn’t a mg34s or a mg81 or a mg34/41.
They only shared the same mechanism. Where a normal 34 shoted 600 to 1000rpm, a plane mg81 variant could do up to 3000 rpm.
Yes 3000.
Also, just. To point up, they changed barrels because on high volume of fire If a barrel gets too hot, its shot group opens up and the gun’s accuracy deteriorates, and the barrel of too hot could indeed jam the bolt locking mechanism once on batery.and, stop the gun from fire.
The more you know…
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u guys got the fg42 mg 34 mg 42 spamming planes pumas thinking there a tiger shrugging off 75 mm cannon like nothing but the Stuart couldn’t hurt a fly and the jumbo wasn’t hard to kill ur skill level is low then whine for months on how it cant be killed
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your just mad cause your biased for Germany
Ok lol, I’m done. This is gold.
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Pfft… Classic jumbo player that stands in the gray zone for 20 minutes. The Axis got what they had to because the Allies had an insane advantage all summer.
L2P dude, because before that you played with a huge advantage. Learn to play on equal footing.
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