New Class: Mechanised Mobile Infantry (Suggestion)

[Myrm1don]

@Stein_Grenadier

Bots have an easier time firing on targets while moving. Players do not. You mentioned it yourself that the squad is highly customizable, so the addition of automatic weaponry would make them quite powerful.

yes, exactly! part of the strength of the squad. this makes up a portion of the reason it has the following downsides built in

• your team can only spawn 1 per team at a time
• no engineer
• default class is bomber, not assaulter or MG
• you have to choose between SMGS or MGs when unlocking specialists
• your vehicle choice determines how much of your squad enters the game

@Stein_Grenadier

The reason why I brought up the rider class is to have them be this supposed new class. Why on earth would there be a need to make and dedicate an entirely new class, when we already have a near-extinct class that fills a similar niche that could fulfill the same role?

Ill add to the additional suggestions that this gets merged with motorcylce squad, but the engineer limitation would remain.

@Stein_Grenadier

There’s also the concern of rally vehicles being far easier to spot, track and destroy. Concealment is the primary mode of preventing rallies from being destroyed, but your proposal not only introduces a vehicle that is inherently tied to the roads and topography of the map (and thus easier to blockade and make stuck), but they occupy a slot and come with an undermanned crew.

I originally proposed the rally point halftracks with a 9 man crew. But as we discussed we decided it was counter intuitive. The point of the 9 man half track was to assault the point (get its troops to the objective). You dont want to do that with a rally.

So we lowered the crew on the Rally point vehicles, And I also commented a further ammendment had to be made so the rally point vehicles were smaller and faster for the reason you describe.

I just havent updated the list yet

Remember this is a “general” idea. We are discussing improvements

[doshskia]

overall it is a well presented suggestion other then the class set ups (it should just be a rifle squad) but alot of the vehicles dont fit as well as some should just be their own squad, and the maps wont handle the apcs very well

maybe when we get larger maps

@epee2008

long time to get to battlefield in the game

fuck me if a 20 second run at the worse of cases is too long for you then maybe you need a new game

[Seamus0501]

slightly related but not really

we should be able to ride on tanks

[Myrm1don]

@doshskia

(it should just be a rifle squad)

@doshskia

(it should just be a rifle squad)

I left it as very customisable. Can be a full Rifle squad, can have 3 Automatics. (3 out of 9 isnt too bad IMO)

I chose Bomber as the default class (3 bombers) because I had panzergrenadiers in mind when I was putting it together. And bombers carry rifles.

But sure, ill add as suggestion.

[Myrm1don]

@doshskia

fuck me if a 20 second run at the worse of cases is too long for you then maybe you need a new game

These vehicles in most circumstances wont get to the point any quicke. Spawning at the back with tanks, and probably driving an indirect route as not to get blown to shit by some tank.

[doshskia]

across opens maps where currnetly every one has issues with tanks spaming HE?

[Myrm1don]

@tommyZZM

Regarding mechanized vehicles I would like to add that we should allow these vehicles to tow anti-tank guns or anti-aircraft guns.

The towing feature is also very important!

I love the idea of this feature and could see it fitting in very well.

I just mainly suggested stuff that was already in game to make this squad real easy to put together.

There isnt really anything new about this squad, its just several ingame mechanics combined into one.

And ofcourse you have done in your mod (rally vehicle), and @Bazsi37 has turned tankers into a jeep squad

[Myrm1don]

@doshskia

across opens maps where currnetly every one has issues with tanks spaming HE?

Sometimes it wil be fodder, sometimes it will shine (but thats like everything). no disagreements there.

[doshskia]

it would be better for bigger maps

[Myrm1don]

i would LOVE that. currently get my fix from big action mod

[Naohmcete]

all good till I hear: no engie, then the whole post go down, sorry, but no, hell even people are yelling for make the new premium units have engies!

[Myrm1don]

@Naohmcete

all good till I hear: no engie, then the whole post go down, sorry

very first sentence in the post

@Myrm1don

*Note: This is a general idea, any part can be modified (squad size, specialists etc)

its a “general” suggestion post, meaning changes can be suggested.

If the difference between awesome and trash is a single specialist, then your suggestion would be “add engineer specialist”. I will add it under suggestions

As for me, I purposefully left the engineer out as it is already I powerful hybrid and needs potent downsides. Also it gives you a reason to take the rally point vehicle. Why would you take it if you had an engineer? you would choose something more heaviliy armed and get the best of both worlds, and effectively removing meaningful choice.

[Myrm1don]

@Seamus0501

slightly related but not really

we should be able to ride on tanks

That would be quite the XP pinata

[GhostintheSmoke]

This is an excellent idea and something id love to see.

[Myrm1don]

@tommyZZM

Regarding mechanized vehicles I would like to add that we should allow these vehicles to tow anti-tank guns or anti-aircraft guns.

The towing feature is also very important!

Have added to suggestion.

Its a nifty idea. Always liked the idea of towing.

[Ghost_of_Zeon]

best capture was when some dum ass stood up to charge saw me coming then laid down to aim and i ran him and his bot over lol.

[Ghost_of_Zeon]

@Stein_Grenadier

Bots have an easier time firing on targets while moving. Players do not. You mentioned it yourself that the squad is highly customizable, so the addition of automatic weaponry would make them quite powerful.

lol kill truck with flame thrower squad of buddy in back

[Stein_Grenadier]

@Myrm1don

So we lowered the crew on the Rally point vehicles, And I also commented a further ammendment had to be made so the rally point vehicles were smaller and faster for the reason you describe.

So… A worse bike squad where the bike is the rally.

@Myrm1don

yes, exactly! part of the strength of the squad. this makes up a portion of the reason it has the following downsides built in

I raised that as a problem.

@Stein_Grenadier

I am also against the idea of a large squad of soldiers spawning in a bulletproof vehicle doing drivebys. Nor am I in favor of the introduction of new squads and classes that conflict with what already exists.

@Myrm1don

default class is bomber, not assaulter or MG

An entire squad of AT specialists. No reason to ever use the original AT squad, then.

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Most of the fundamental problems I’ve raised have not been addressed in a meaningful manner.

• Role overlap with existing squads
• Niche vehicles that have a role that is performed objectively worse than their infantry counterparts
• Entire squads performing driveby shootings in bulletproof vehicles, on top of any additional weapons already mounted on the vehicle
• The introduction of a 3rd vehicle on top of the 2 existing tank slots
• The introduction of a new class for whatever reason
• Map suitability/dependency

[Diedoctr4]

this mechanized squad is gonna be needed because ww2 wasnt just infantry it was combined arms it includes cars amrored cars and half tracks. Im out Over.

[Myrm1don]

welp. I think its sweet.

carry on sir.