problem is, instead of getting its first good AT rifle germany will have just another bad & useless AT rifle.
most AT rifle, especially early war ones, are almost unplayable in enlisted due to the overall game design.
its no coincidence the only good ones are the 2 semiauto ones.
This is where the campaign system shines. Remember when type 97 was so essential back in the days? Sadly, anti tank rifle will forever be pointless unless we have br1 exclusive battles.
The games focus is WW2 from 1942 onwards (the earliest campaign is Moscow during the winter of 1941-1942), by this time AT rifles were no longer any danger to modern tanks of the time, having become largely obsolete by the end of the Battle of France (and even before), they’re not viable in the game because they weren’t viable in real life.
AT rifles largely transfered over to the role of being primative version of the anti-material rifles we have today. They could no longer take out tanks, but armoured cars, APCs, trucks, radios and other equipment became their new primary targets, and it’s not wrong for the game to reflect this, it is in fact preferable.
That is not entirely true. The Soviets still relied heavily on ATRs against tanks, the Schürzen in particular were made to counter them, including on the Panther, which otherwise would not have been approved due to their poor side armor.
Japan didn’t had launchers until Okinawa and that was only the Type 4 in very limited numbers. Otherwise, they issued the Type 97 alongside AT cannons.
It only applies to the Germans and the British, especially the British due to the poor performance of the Boys.
Keep the pen and move it to BR1 as it still needs to go prone/use bipod to fire which is a huge cons. When you nerf it would become just a worse wz 35/type 97
Correct, the side-skirts on the Pz III, IV and V existed to, amongst its primary feature to defeat HEAT rounds, to lessen the effectiveness of AT rifles. Since they were incredably common on the Eastern-Front (and stanrdard issue on Panthers), that would make the ATRs no longer effective (as in “ineffective”), which is my point.
Japan is very much a special case, since they were primarily facing of against China for a long time which had (and even then just a few) inter-war tanks which were susceptible to ATR fire (Pz Is, Renault FTs, Vickers light tanks), they never made the same advanvements into either tanks ot AT weaponry because there wasn’t the same need/arms-race with China.
Then they later faced of against the Western Allies in the pacific and South-East Asia, who in these areas were primarily using the tanks that were deemed to no longer be fit for active service on the front, these were again made up of early-war or inter-war tanks, that were susceptible to ATR fire. ATRs were useful here because both sides were using outdated tanks, the Pacific theatre is a war of exceptions that proves the rules (as in as soon as more modern tanks were brought in ATRs stopped being effective again).
The pen numbers for the S-18/1000 are near-fantasy, really just remove ~5mm in it’s base to make it closer to reality, then lower it to BR I. After that, decide if the brace-mechanic should stay or not and then be consistent in applying it to its peers. The Type 97 is much much heavier, very similar length and fires a similar 20mm round, my biggest problem is the inconsistency. Either soldiers in this game are Übermensch that can carry, wield and rapid fire these weapons on their own, or they’re not, the devs should make up their minds.
No.
Schürzen existed since 1943 and were developed before, long before the Germans encountered Bazookas. And it never worked against HEAT warheads, this is a mere urban myth.
Are you sure it didn’t work, no effectiveness at all? I’m fairly sure people even placed wooden logs, metal-netting and sandbags on the sides to defeat heat rounds.
Germany also made many changes on tanks based on their own technologies, despite the fact that their enemy had yet to bring those weaponry themselves yet. The Germans invented their own HEAT rounds and were rightly afraid of people using that against them, also the case with magnetic AT mines which they then invented a special paste to apply on their own tanks to counter (their enemies never really used magnetic-bombs against tanks so that was largely useless, but the paranoia was there never the less).
If only it was in TT and not a low quality BP trash, lol
There’s a huge difference, if you haven’t figured it out yet, it’s truly pathetic.
How are you going to penetrate a KV-1 and Сherchil 3 from Solothurn? Surprise me.
You will also be surprised when you find out in what year Solothurn was usually used and against what tanks.
Wooden logs were mostly deployed to help tanks overcome mud etc., not really as armor and would probably weight too much.
Metal netting was a thing in late 1944 and barely worked unless it was at least 1,5m away or was a very small warhead such as the Panzerfaust 30…
Sandbags indeed worked but increased the weight of the tank by at least three metric tons if not more (depending on the tank), causing issues with the transmission and the engine.
Both the Germans and the Allies conducted research. While I struggle to find the German report, the Canadians and Brits consider Schurzen and wire mesh effective if was placed 1,5 away. The Germans claimed to find out that if the Schurzen was too close, it could increase the effectiveness of the wahrhead and even caused new issues such as grenades getting stuck in the space and cause damage to the armor. The wire mesh was also a upgrade to the old metal plates, which often got damaged during driving and weighted more and were less cost-efficient than the wire-mesh.
Well, the question would be if they found Schurzen to be effective against HEAT, why they didnt bother to put it on the Tiger II or even modified the Tiger I, but only on tanks with bad side armor.
Instead of arguing over effectivness of things back and forth, I think we can both agree on that technicly speaking we’re both correct, right?
Improvised HEAT armour was equally effective as ATRs were post 1941, as in they’re both technically better than nothing but really they’re there because it’s what they had and it made their crews/operators feel better than having nothing.
The Germans were literally wasting time putting more or less completely useless zimmerit on their tanks. Even though they really needed those tanks at the front.
Obviously they were more concerned with theoretical efficiency than any real utilization.
